toby91_ca

Umm....what are you talking about?

Where did you get that information? I don't think it's even close. Max deal Crosby could have signed was $14M I think....max for McDavid is $15M. If I look at cap history, the cap for the up coming year when Crosby signed was $60M or so, but I think that was post-CBA adjustment (was actually $70.2M when he signed). Even if you were to use a cap of $60M, Crosby's deal was significantly more discounted than McDavid's....if he actually gets 13.25M.

5 years in junior.....not sure how many effective players in the NHL have ever spent that much time in junior.

Not an obvious yes and not an obvious no either. He has 500+ goals and 1,000+ points and 3 cups, but is well under 1ppg and has no individual awards....never considered one of the best. He's just been really, really good over a long period of time. I think he'll probably get in, but if it was me, I'd lean to saying no (he's better than some that are already in though)....his highest finish in hart voting is 10th.

What 23 playoff goals?

Interesting stat....Matt Murray....a rookie, has 2 cups now. Although, MAF did win 9 of the 16 this year.

If you believe Subban's father, apparently Crosby was Subban's best friend at the Olympics and vice versa.

Crosby was my choice this year, I thought he deserved it more than Malkin...Malkin only had 1 more point, but Crosby effectively played 2 less games and was by far the best player in the finals and did more than Malkin beyond points. Last year, it was close, I was surprised he won, but didn't mind it too much...Kessel could have easily won (same as Malkin this year), but Kessel is just way more one dimensional. Kind of like in 2002 when you could have argued a few Wings. Does anyone really care much about this though? Wings being the last to win 2 in a row? Doesn't mean much to me. I doubt anyone thinks about the Islanders holding on to the last team to win 4 in a row.

Conn Smythe choice between Crosby and Malkin will be super close I'd guess. Crosby as been way better in the finals, but trails Malkin overall by 1pt.

Not that it's over yet, but not cheap at all....Nashville didn't really think there was interference there, but with 1 min left, challenging was a no brainer

I think I'll just stop......I can't help you read

Only because you asked, I did go back and read every post...."it wasn't a penalty" - not a single person said that...."it wasn't Crosby" - not a single person said that...."it wasn't thrown" - you guessed it, not a single person said that.

As far as I can tell...no one is arguing that.

We heard the same thing with Gretzky as well. Big difference with Crosby is that he takes crap on the ice that Wayne never had to deal with....but that's just the times. Superstars don't get away with as much in the NHL as they do in the other leagues though.

The crowd just seems to chant randomly

You can't be serious. Firstly, he didn't throw it on purpose, he threw his arms up and was complaining about something and the bottle slipped out of his hand, at least that's what he said and he made a point of going and apologizing to all 4 officials on the ice and suggesting he didn't do it on purpose. Not that it matters, but I tend to believe that because if he meant to throw it, he wouldn't have done so with his left hand, that make no sense. Secondly, it wasn't right before the 5th goal because he was on the ice and assisted on it. Thirdly, let's assume he did throw it on purpose for a minute...so what, should have been a penalty, which he admitted to whether on purpose or not, but what does player safety have to do with it? You think they should suspend him? I get the bias against him, but that's simply a stupid comment.

There are lots out there that think no anthem should be played. It is a bit weird to play US and CAN anthems when you have a team from Canada playing, but not when you have 2 US based teams though since either way you'll have most players being Cdn. In tonight's game, there are 17 Canadian players playing and 12 American (which is high, PIT must have the most in the league).

The Preds fans are loud as hell, but the one thing that bugs me a bit is the complaining every time one of their players gets knocked down. It's as if they don't know the rules and think everything is a penalty against them. I get it that every fan base thinks there's always penalties committed against their team, but they seem to boo after the strangest things.

Huh? He was born on Jan. 15th I think, which would be the exact opposite of what you are saying....he'd consistently be one of the oldest players in the league if it works anything like here (you play with people of your birth year...calendar year). For NHL drafting purposes, he'd still be on the older side, only players born in late Sep through Dec would be older. The truth is actually the opposite of this as well. Mantha was literally the oldest player taken in the entire draft. Well, they may not be true as I didn't check everyone, but the only ones that would potentially be older would be those that were passed over in their eligible years, so are being drafted at older ages. Mantha was 2.5 months away from turning 19 when he was drafted (he wasn't 17 years old). He was a full year older (minus a few days) than several players picked).

So Subban suggests Crosby told him his breath stinks....when Crosby was asked about it he said P.K. made it up. So what's the deal here? If Crosby said it, why would he deny it? If he said it, the simple response is "lots of stuff said, etc." - it's not like this would be controversial, not a nasty comment or anything. Flip side, if Crosby didn't say it, why would Subban say he did?

Was watching something the other day, after PIT beat OTT to get into the FINALS regarding Crosby's place on the all-time list of players and what a 3rd cup might do for that. Pierre Lebrun suggested that winning a 3rd cup would get him ahead of Toews. I've seen several people roast him pretty good about this (typical overrating of Toews), but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as I think the context of what he was saying was in terms of being a "winner", it may have been missunderstood as it was in the same conversation about best players ever. I wouldn't be at all surprised though if there are those out there making the argument about Toews being up there on the all-time list, that's how overrated he is.

so....what are your thoughts on the PIT goal called back due to offside? They must thank Uncle Gary for that too I guess?

The fact is, if you go to the Pens fans site, pretty much everyone there hates Bettman and think he's hates the Pens and the NHL does everything to keep them from winning....pretty much the opposite of what we see a lot of here....that's just the way it is....super bias on both sides. The offside call, many can dislike it, but they've called that consistently in several other games, so it's no Pens pampering. Interestingly enough, Bettman commented on this type of play/review earlier yesterday or the day before (prior to start of the Finals). He's actually been pleased with the results of the coach's challenge. Apparently offside calls are down 13% from before the challenge was put in place and Bettman attributed that to 2 things: 1) players are more cognizant that they need to ensure they stay onside as replays will catch it (I don't buy that...game is too fast, players aren't thinking this) and 2) linsemen are more apt to not blow the play down on a very close play because they figure a challenge will catch any play they miss (this one makes sense).

It looks like experience is a real thing in terms of edge. Preds looks rattled....question is how long it will last.

I imagine 50% of the penalty calls that Hornqvist draws are embellishments. Not saying that because I see a lot of the calls or anything, I just think that's the type of guy he is...I suspect a lot are legitimate though as he spends a lot of time around the front of the net.