toby91_ca

This is where I'd differ...extremely and this is what I want to avoid with these advanced stats. I'd prefer the eyeball test 100 times out of 100. I don't want someone voting for an award having never watched a guy play. Stats are needed as well, but especially for this award, way to dangerous to try to simply use advanced stats to judge. The issue is that it's the best defensive forward award. A forward's main purpose is to score, so if they don't score, I don't think they deserve this award. Gainey put up respectable enough numbers, certainly not a big scorer.

I think there are a ton of flaws in using some of these stats to try and hand out a best defensive forward award. I have no issue with considering the stats, but if you start placing too much reliance on it, that's when I have a problem. Way too much in some of those stats that are way beyond the control of the player in question.

Other than the obvious timing flaw here.....where did this come from? I haven't seen any such comment from Bob (unless it was from years ago)

He has 3 acting credits, latest being in 1992. He came back to the family business and served as President of the Real Estate business, however, he left the business about 5 years ago to pursue other interests (no idea what). He's part owner of the Red Wings though.

He was saved by his lack of dirty history and the fact there was not an injury. Personally, I think far too much weight is placed on whether an injury occurs or not, past history does make sense, unless you basically give nothing because of no history. In this case 6 games isn't nothing, but could have been a lot worse if someone else had done it.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will be 6 at the absolute minimum and should be more...which will be consistent with past infractions of this nature. Same can be said about the Marchand incident....consistent with the past, they don't punish severely for slew footing....you can argue they should, but at least there is some consistency here.

The other consideration is that these guys are all getting paid right now, no rush....they may look to see how things shakeout in the post-season...perhaps the Blackhawks are looking for a coach then. However, and it's a big however, these guys, the guys you want, don't like being away from the game, so waiting around isn't in their DNA.

I think Nyquist's was worse...at least Keith only had one hand on his stick (though he did get some pretty good torque on it). So, I'm thinking 6 games is the minimum, especially if you are sitting in the camp that think stars get treated differently (Keith).

The other big problem is that the Wings have only 16 wins in regulation, the 8 teams they need to get past all have been 20-24.

Slight change, I think they are 6 pts behind, not 5. It's possible, but I think the biggest roadblock is the 8 teams they'd have to pass.

RIP, sad that having team owners like this are a bit of a thing of the past. Franchises are worth so much money, unless someone has owned the team forever (or in the family), ownership is usually going to be corporate backed or a large group of investors. Mr. I. bought the Wings for $8 million.

Just because his stats were good, after playing 10 games, doesn't mean his trade value would be high.

Hasn't played for the Leafs yet. He's on their roster, healthy scratch on Monday.

Avalanche with a big 4-0 win last night, maybe they won't go down as one of the worst over the last 20 years

Better team is very subjective. I know the majority like to pile it on the coach around here, but there also needs to be a sense of realism built in here as well. The biggest problem right now is the older players got older, if still around, decline sets in and in other cases, those players are gone. Younger players haven't been able to come in and develop quick enough to offset. There is currently a big hole on defense. Having a real solid defense goes a long way and the team simply doesn't have that right now. In terms of everyone underperforming other than Mantha, Green and Vanek....without going through everyone, I'm not sure how much more can be expected out of Zetterberg. I almost think he's overperforming. I know its not to the same level as in the past, but to expect that as he continues to age is unrealistic.

The comment was that DET is still better than NJ, I'm not sure what the last 10 years has to with that. This isn't an opinion, yes, NJ has played 2 more games and yes, they only have 3 more points, but that equates to a better record, period (DET is only on pace for just over 1pt per game, so 3 more points in 2 extra games is better)....their basically equivalent right now, but NJ's record is slightly better.

NJ currently has a better record than DET

Most famous? I get that he was the first Norwegian in the NHL, but only 1 game and he really didn't play much past the age of 23 or 24. I don't know may players from Norway, but Espen Knutsen, I would think, is more famous....purely because I know who that is and I never heard of Skaare before today

Hitch plans to retire this summer anyway doesn't he?

I don't think there's really any decline. He's never been a top scorer, he's really only ever been a 60-70pt guy (other than 1 year where he put up 76). Last year he was at 58pts (not too far off normal. This year he simply slumped earlier in the year...28pts in 42 games is till a 55pt pace....a little low, but again, probably more due to early season slump...he has 13pts in his last 14 games.

Is this a joke? What aspect of the game is Nielsen better than Toews?

Detroit shares space with NJ, VAN and ARI as the only teams in the NHL without a 15 goal scorer. DET has 2 guys with 12, same with NJ, VAN at least has a guy with 14, another with 13 and two with 12, ARI being the worst with 2 guys with 11. Most teams have multiple with more than 15 and most with at least 18, 19 and more than 20.

Anybody catch any of it? I watched some, surprises for me: - Savard still has the moves...at 55 - Bieber is a decent player (I knew he played) and obviously not that great, but decent when compared to general population - Talyor Kitsch (from Friday Night Lights) was really good, he looked to have the polish of some of the pros. I looked it up, he played junior hockey, so makes some sense.

So, out of the 6 active players on the top 100 list, 3 of them are Blackhawks?

Maybe it's easier to compare Malkin and Kane, then you don't have to muddy it with intangibles and leadership....Malkin still comes out on top...easily. Malkin should have been on there before several others on the top 100 list as well, but it's easy enough just to compare to the current players.