Echolalia

Does Filppula or Hudler provide something that our younger, cheaper guys already in the system don't? I'd rather utilize our resources in acquiring something we lack ie a franchise forward, top pairing defensman, established goal scorer etc

crazy to think that was almost 10 years ago

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/45876-those-broken-sticks-on-the-ice-really-cause-a-lot-of-trouble/?hl=chelios The man was truly ahead of his time http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/45830-something-that-worries-me-about-osgood/?hl=chelios

what to stop chris chelios from having an i heart chris chelios pillow on his bed edit: beat me to it. and it wasn't even close lol

I wish the colors were a little bit easier to discern.

Can you see the chart? Its saying I have to sign into some program to see it.

I'm not arguing that they're right or wrong. That has absolutely nothing to do with my point at all and confirms my suspicion you don't know what I'm talking about. My problem is that you make definitive statements based on nothing and pass them off as fact. You're the one who said Tatar is a turnover machine, and when people questioned you on it your defense was exclusively and repeatedly eyeball test, which means absolutely nothing.

The onus isn't on me to prove why Stone isn't a superstar based on takeaways/giveaways. Doing so has nothing to do with my argument, so you even suggesting it, and then ignoring all other aspects of what I say and doubling down on it gives me the impression you aren't even fully aware of specifically what we are even taking about right now. I'm not the one passing judgement about players I cannot back up with support. That would be you.But because you're so desperately clinging onto this Stone thing I do want to mention one point that makes me chuckle. Its yet another example of you allowing yourself to be swayed by emotion and make a conclusion based 100% off emotion (and the good ol infallible eyeball test), and anything that isn't consistent with your preconceived conclusion you automatically reject: on the grounds of emotion and eyeballs. You have no actual evidence that he isn't the best takeaway player. I doubt you've even seen him play ten games this year, let alone his whole season. And further to the point I doubt you've been specifically logging his takeaways and giveaways on the occasion that you did see him. But your emotion tells you that it's wrong and therefore everything that suggests otherwise must be wrong. I have no idea where Stone stands. But the difference between you and me is that I have the self insight to know the limitations of my views and opinions and you do not.

Lets not call it common sense. Common sense isn't assuming the eyeball test, which has been widely and repeatedly proven to be one of the least reliable forms of evidence, is a more accurate means of measuring a parameter than another method, which you have no insight to how is even measured. That's rejecting data for intuition and/or emotion, which is the exact opposite of sensical. Incidentally that's the same issue that's plaguing the anti-vaccine movement. Its intuition and emotion based on preconceived notions you have with Tatar, or Helm, or Smith, or whomever else which you are relying on to make interpretations on otherwise quantifiable data, and when the data isn't congruent with your intuition, you reject the data, instead of modify your original hypothesis. If science was run like this our society never would have accepted the sun is the center of our solar system, or that infectious disease is a manifest of microorganisms. I have no issue with being skeptical of information presented to you, but when the purported alternative is supported exclusively by "because that's what I think" then there's a problem.

So you do just use the eyeball test. And besides that you readily admit that you don't understand how the league defines takeaway vs giveaway. Which means at the most fundamental level you are inequipped to say their data is inaccurate.

Strong Corsi =/= one of the best possession players in NHL. This is an inaccurate jump and not at all what we can definitively conclude from Corsi. I do agree that usage influences how data should be interpreted though.

How are you quantifying which stats are accurate and which stats are not? Do you actually have a method that defines a particular statistic as well as a way to measure it, and have you put in the hours and combed through games and compared your data with official league data, including based on their means of measurement and definition? Or are you just eyeballing it.

Dude some guy's eyeballs > quantifiable data. Get with it man.

Supporting cast is much easier to find via trades, free agency, and drafting than franchise snipers. I think Stamkos needs to be Holland's top priority this offseason

Seems like a pretty active market thus far, which I suppose bodes well for Holland.

Such a weird thing to hear

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/las-vegas-is-a-terrible-place-for-an-nhl-team/

I didn't realize the Devils were in the market for a cap hit. It makes me nervous actually, because there is a reason why it didn't go to Arizona. Might be they never spoke with Arizona, but it could also be Arizona was asking for even more.

welcome to the squad darren

you drive a hard bargain how about 6M/season? the other darren helms i talked to wanted 7 and mod immunity on lgw

Biggest need this offseason is def getting Darren Helm signed to a contract

No I'm Darren Helm

You got it wrong man, I'm Darren Helm.

Maybe Helm is the most underrated player on this team now.

Why would they make a rose the warning for a hurricane