wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nah, we may need Ozzie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 i respect your opinion dude i just think it would be worth it to pick up a young guy like havlat ,and i think we'd be able to get a suitable guy to back up manny and i love maltby for his price and the other players who we have that can do the same job i would trade him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 You do make some good points, and I too would like to have Havlat. That being said, I don't think the Sens would do that anyway. Now I have to admit I don't know much about this Mika Noronen whom your throwing into the equation, but I wouldn't trade Hudler away for a goalie. We have enough goalies in our systems don't we? Also, what is Havlat's salary? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think havlat is worth WAY MORE than that, your crazy everyones does this s**t on these boards, try to post believable trades Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think havlat is worth WAY MORE than that, your crazy everyones does this s**t on these boards, try to post believable trades Well that's a nice way to put it Boygolfer;) Anyway.. I think he is thinking that the Sens are thinking about this year and getting the Cup. That's why he brought up Ozzie as being an insurance type of player for them. Kinda like he is here, no? And no, this trade wouldn't happen. But what the hell, ain't hurting anyone to discuss it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think havlat is worth WAY MORE than that, your crazy everyones does this s**t on these boards, try to post believable trades Well that's a nice way to put it Boygolfer;) Anyway.. I think he is thinking that the Sens are thinking about this year and getting the Cup. That's why he brought up Ozzie as being an insurance type of player for them. Kinda like he is here, no? And no, this trade wouldn't happen. But what the hell, ain't hurting anyone to discuss it. yes but lets say, ozzie for someone reasonable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 To get Havlat, we'd have to at least give up a scoring forward of pretty solid caliber. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the only ones we have who MIGHT get him outright. Ottawa would probably not do a Datsyuk/Havlat deal straight up, and the Wings would be crazy to trade Zetterberg in such a deal. So we are talking Williams and/or Hudler. Williams is a huge questionmark, and Hudler is a prospect. Hudler probably has more value than Williams, especially after the way Williams' season collapsed. Assuming Ottawa is in the market fort insurance, Ozzie and Hudler probably isn't enough to get Havlat; Unless Hasek is out for the playoffs and Ottawa figures trading Havlat for Osgood (Hudler may or may not play this year if that trade were made) is the thing that puts them in better position to win the Cup, that wouldn't happen. And the question here; Why are we trading away our top center prospect and a playoff-proven goaltender for a guy who may not be around in a year or two, all while we have a huge questionmark for a starter and no ready backup? The Wings were eliminated in 99 because they had no quality backup goaltending and their starter was injured and missed four games. The Wings advanced past the first round in 04 because their backup goaltender played excellent after coming into a series which Nashville had taken over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think havlat is worth WAY MORE than that, your crazy everyones does this s**t on these boards, try to post believable trades Well that's a nice way to put it Boygolfer;) Anyway.. I think he is thinking that the Sens are thinking about this year and getting the Cup. That's why he brought up Ozzie as being an insurance type of player for them. Kinda like he is here, no? And no, this trade wouldn't happen. But what the hell, ain't hurting anyone to discuss it. yes but lets say, ozzie for someone reasonable thats why i included maltby and a high pick anyways im not stupid i know its highly unlikely that theyd trade havlat unless they can get jokinen in return for a long term deal , i was just saying maybe since they might have a goalie problem and throwin in maltby which can still do a good job and has 3 cups worth of experience then it might entice the senators since there likely to lose chara or redden at seasons end and hasek aint getting any younger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 To get Havlat, we'd have to at least give up a scoring forward of pretty solid caliber. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the only ones we have who MIGHT get him outright. Ottawa would probably not do a Datsyuk/Havlat deal straight up, and the Wings would be crazy to trade Zetterberg in such a deal. So we are talking Williams and/or Hudler. Williams is a huge questionmark, and Hudler is a prospect. Hudler probably has more value than Williams, especially after the way Williams' season collapsed. Assuming Ottawa is in the market fort insurance, Ozzie and Hudler probably isn't enough to get Havlat; Unless Hasek is out for the playoffs and Ottawa figures trading Havlat for Osgood (Hudler may or may not play this year if that trade were made) is the thing that puts them in better position to win the Cup, that wouldn't happen. And the question here; Why are we trading away our top center prospect and a playoff-proven goaltender for a guy who may not be around in a year or two, all while we have a huge questionmark for a starter and no ready backup? The Wings were eliminated in 99 because they had no quality backup goaltending and their starter was injured and missed four games. The Wings advanced past the first round in 04 because their backup goaltender played excellent after coming into a series which Nashville had taken over. might get him outright ? you dont think the senators would jump at datsyuk or zetterberg straight up for havlat ?? i would love to have havlat here but never would i give up datsyuk or zetterberg straight up or any deal for havlat , muckler would jump at that trade in a heartbeat anyways about ozzie , i like the guy and im happy he helped us win a cup but MY personal opinion and its my own is that hes overrated , sure he helped us win a cup but i think we were so good that year and we were on a mission to win a cup for konstantinov that we could of had any decent goalie and won that year again thats just my opinion .....i dont believe ozzie will be back next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Wings won't make any significant trades because they don't have the cap space. Hudler, Datsyk,Zetterberg, Maltby,Chelios,Williams,Yzerman and every other major part of this team aren't going anywhere. Save the lopsided trades for NHL 06 because they aren't happening in reality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Hudler plays LW in Grand Rapids...so does Flippula. Check the Griffins boxscores. Funny how everyone wants to deal Hudler away when most people here have probably only seen him in a wings jersey. The dude is good and most likely will be in Detroit next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Wings won't make any significant trades because they don't have the cap space. Hudler, Datsyk,Zetterberg, Maltby,Chelios,Williams,Yzerman and every other major part of this team aren't going anywhere. Save the lopsided trades for NHL 06 because they aren't happening in reality. whatever you say ken holland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Hudler plays LW in Grand Rapids...so does Flippula. Check the Griffins boxscores. Funny how everyone wants to deal Hudler away when most people here have probably only seen him in a wings jersey. The dude is good and most likely will be in Detroit next season. you wanna trade for someone good then you gotta give something , thats the way it works Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Wings won't make any significant trades because they don't have the cap space. Hudler, Datsyk,Zetterberg, Maltby,Chelios,Williams,Yzerman and every other major part of this team aren't going anywhere. Save the lopsided trades for NHL 06 because they aren't happening in reality. I think we all know that this trade isn't happening. It is a discussion. That's all. To say Williams and Hudler ain't going anywhere because they are "major part of this team" is kinda overstating it I'd say. But hey, it's a only a discussion anyway! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 I believe Havlat is on IR, which means he can't be traded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 I believe Havlat is on IR, which means he can't be traded Nope, somebody got traded today that was on IR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 anyways about ozzie , i like the guy and im happy he helped us win a cup but MY personal opinion and its my own is that hes overrated , sure he helped us win a cup but i think we were so good that year and we were on a mission to win a cup for konstantinov that we could of had any decent goalie and won that year This argument always makes me laugh. People talk about how great the defense was for Osgood. These same people also talk about how terrible Anders Eriksson is/was. Well, which is it? Is Eriksson terrible, or did his replacing Konstantinov in Detroit's top four improve the Wings as dramatically as many seem to suggest. I'll put it this simply; Holland felt that Detroit needed to upgrade on defense in 98. Dmitri Mironov was acquired. Mironov was BEHIND Eriksson on the depth chart. Osgood was second in Smythe voting and led the team in three-star selections in the playoffs. He was by no means the 'peripheral piece' Ozzie bashers like to suggest. He was MORE IMPORTANT to the 98 Cup than Fedorov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, or anyone else who didn't win the Smythe that year. Yzerman won the Smythe because he was UNREAL, and it should have been his second in a row. Unless of course you are suggesting any decent goalie can be the second most valuable player in the postseason for a repeating cup winner? Oh..and you may have forgotten, but Osgood also was robbed of the Vezina in 96. It's hard to argue that anyone saying he is good is doing so based on his Cup considering he was a Second-team all-star before ever being a cup winner. He also was 10th in Vezina voting in 95 as a backup. Face it, Osgood was and is a good goalie. Just because he's not Patrick Roy or Terry Sawchuk doesn't mean he sucks. There's a HUGE difference between those categories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NAVYWING 2 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 I would trade Ozzie for future considerations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 we all know ottawa is probably afraid of the hasek situation and will most likely trade for another goalie what if we trade ozzie/maltby and maybe a 4-5th rounder for havlat and then trade hudler and say a 3rd rounder in 2007 for mika noronen we get a legace and noronen tandem (yes i know youll all say ozzie is more experienced but we get a good young goalie with lots of potential , and buffalo might say yes with hudler included in the deal ) and ottawa needs a goalie in case and matlby can be a agitator for them in the playoffs and defensive specialist and it wouldnt hurt us cause we got draper/cleary/franzen/yzerma/samuelsson and zetterberg that can kill penalties and a havlat zetterberg holmstrom line would be deadly and we should still be allowed to sign defensive depth what you guys think havlat is worth WAY MORE than that, your crazy everyones does this s**t on these boards, try to post believable trades Well that's a nice way to put it Boygolfer;) Anyway.. I think he is thinking that the Sens are thinking about this year and getting the Cup. That's why he brought up Ozzie as being an insurance type of player for them. Kinda like he is here, no? And no, this trade wouldn't happen. But what the hell, ain't hurting anyone to discuss it. yes but lets say, ozzie for someone reasonable thats why i included maltby and a high pick anyways im not stupid i know its highly unlikely that theyd trade havlat unless they can get jokinen in return for a long term deal , i was just saying maybe since they might have a goalie problem and throwin in maltby which can still do a good job and has 3 cups worth of experience then it might entice the senators since there likely to lose chara or redden at seasons end and hasek aint getting any younger 2 UFA's???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mule39 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 you wanna trade for someone good then you gotta give something , thats the way it works If you want to trade for someone good you have to have CAP SPACE. WE DO NOT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neil#25 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2006 No way, Sen's get shafted in that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted March 14, 2006 If you want to trade for someone good you have to have CAP SPACE. WE DO NOT. no point talking about it now since its over but like i said in order to get something good we gotta give up something good if we gave up something good for something good chances are we'd have had enough CAP SPACE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites