Wings show interest in Leetch?

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This topic was relevant a while back in the summer but it pointless now as it will never happen and doesn't need to happen.

Exactly. Before Markov was signed it might have been useful. Now it's useless

[eva unit zero 271]

That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.

We simply don't need Leetch AND Schneider on the same team, so if we can move Schneider for a guy that can help us (Marleau) then maybe going after Leetch would make sense.

Still, there's about as much chance of this happening as there is of Kenny actually SIGNING some tough guys instead of just talking about it.

Downgrade on D to get stronger at center?? WTF?

So what, Lang is the fourth line center then?

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Downgrade on D to get stronger at center?? WTF?

So what, Lang is the fourth line center then?

I see you're not familiar with the term "maybe".

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I see you're not familiar with the term "maybe".

My point would be what happens with Datsyuk and Lang?

Zetterberg and Marleau are your top two centers. Datsyuk and Lang can't play the wing.

So what happens? Do they get traded for a winger? A defenseman?

Plus, the general sentiment around here is that Schneider could be dealt without being replaced as we have Lidstrom, Kronwall, and Lebda, further making me ask why Leetch might EVER make sense.

If it were possible to deal Schneider for Marleau and Datsyuk for a comparably talented winger, that would be absolutely great. We would then have two amazing young two-way centers and be stronger on the wing, not to mention potentially stealing Dats away as a free agent next summer.

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My point would be what happens with Datsyuk and Lang?

Zetterberg and Marleau are your top two centers. Datsyuk and Lang can't play the wing.

So what happens? Do they get traded for a winger? A defenseman?

Plus, the general sentiment around here is that Schneider could be dealt without being replaced as we have Lidstrom, Kronwall, and Lebda, further making me ask why Leetch might EVER make sense.

If it were possible to deal Schneider for Marleau and Datsyuk for a comparably talented winger, that would be absolutely great. We would then have two amazing young two-way centers and be stronger on the wing, not to mention potentially stealing Dats away as a free agent next summer.

Perhaps I should have made my first post a little clearer.

When I mentioned Marleau, it wasn't because he was the one guy we had to get in return for Schneider for the addition of Leetch to make sense. My point was that we didn't need Leetch AND Schneider on the team, so if we could move Schneider for SOMEONE that could help us, then Leetch might be an OK addition.

The only reason I used Marleau's name was because others in the thread have mentioned him as a guy that we may be after, and because the general consensus seems to be that he's a guy we need. However, for adding Leetch to make any sense, it could mean that we trade Schneider for someone completely different, preferably a winger.

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Perhaps I should have made my first post a little clearer.

When I mentioned Marleau, it wasn't because he was the one guy we had to get in return for Schneider for the addition of Leetch to make sense. My point was that we didn't need Leetch AND Schneider on the team, so if we could move Schneider for SOMEONE that could help us, then Leetch might be an OK addition.

The only reason I used Marleau's name was because others in the thread have mentioned him as a guy that we may be after, and because the general consensus seems to be that he's a guy we need. However, for adding Leetch to make any sense, it could mean that we trade Schneider for someone completely different, preferably a winger.

You said trade Schneider for Marleau.

As for the Marleau rumors, that's more or less Datsyuk for Marleau according to the other thread. But still, if you can do that deal, and then trade Schneider for a winger, Leetch is still unneccesary.

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You said trade Schneider for Marleau.

As for the Marleau rumors, that's more or less Datsyuk for Marleau according to the other thread. But still, if you can do that deal, and then trade Schneider for a winger, Leetch is still unneccesary.

I said trade Schneider for someone who can help us, and then I mentioned Marleau AS AN EXAMPLE because he has been mentioned in this thread and around the boards as someone who can help us.

As for Leetch still being unneccesary even if we trade Schneider, you may be right. That is why I said that it would MAYBE make sense.

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I said trade Schneider for someone who can help us, and then I mentioned Marleau AS AN EXAMPLE because he has been mentioned in this thread and around the boards as someone who can help us.

As for Leetch still being unneccesary even if we trade Schneider, you may be right. That is why I said that it would MAYBE make sense.

Of the 7 guys on our roster:

Offensively-oriented defensemen:

Lidstrom, Schneider, Kronwall, Lebda

Stay-at-home defensemen:

Markov, Chelios, Lilja

Remove Schneider, we still have three capable offensive defensemen, including our two best defensemen. Our top four would consist of two offensive and two defensive guys. Even without Schneider, the unit would still be a solid one (though obviously having Schneider makes it that much better)

The reason replacing Schneider with Leetch is simple:

Schneider is better than Leetch at everything. The only logical reasons to remove Schneider is to make room for Kronwall or to upgrade upon Schneider. Leetch does neither. So by trading Schneider, the logical move is to acquire another number 3-4 defensive defenseman, another Markov type, assuming we go the FA route. If Schneider is the main piece in a Marleau deal, then Datsyuk is shipped out for a high end defensive defenseman on the level of Mattias Ohlund or perhaps the main piece of a package deal including a second pairing defensive banger like a Cory Sarich, Sheldon Souray, or Ruslan Salei.

Although looking at San Jose's current roster, as far as centers go, if they trade Marleau, their second center would be Curtis Brown or Mark Bell. And if it's Bell, then Mike Grier and Ville Niemenen are playing on the top two lines.

And as far as offensive defensemen? Christian Ehroff and Kyle McLaren at 23 points apiece are the top scorers from last season.

Maybe we could see something along the lines of Mathieu Schneider and Pavel Datsyuk for Patrick Marleau and Kyle McLaren. Some other names, such as Mike Grier and Jason Williams, might have to be added in to make the money even, but that seems like a fair deal overall that suits the needs of both teams.

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Of the 7 guys on our roster:

Offensively-oriented defensemen:

Lidstrom, Schneider, Kronwall, Lebda

Stay-at-home defensemen:

Markov, Chelios, Lilja

Remove Schneider, we still have three capable offensive defensemen, including our two best defensemen. Our top four would consist of two offensive and two defensive guys. Even without Schneider, the unit would still be a solid one (though obviously having Schneider makes it that much better)

The reason replacing Schneider with Leetch is simple:

Schneider is better than Leetch at everything. The only logical reasons to remove Schneider is to make room for Kronwall or to upgrade upon Schneider. Leetch does neither. So by trading Schneider, the logical move is to acquire another number 3-4 defensive defenseman, another Markov type, assuming we go the FA route. If Schneider is the main piece in a Marleau deal, then Datsyuk is shipped out for a high end defensive defenseman on the level of Mattias Ohlund or perhaps the main piece of a package deal including a second pairing defensive banger like a Cory Sarich, Sheldon Souray, or Ruslan Salei.

Although looking at San Jose's current roster, as far as centers go, if they trade Marleau, their second center would be Curtis Brown or Mark Bell. And if it's Bell, then Mike Grier and Ville Niemenen are playing on the top two lines.

And as far as offensive defensemen? Christian Ehroff and Kyle McLaren at 23 points apiece are the top scorers from last season.

Maybe we could see something along the lines of Mathieu Schneider and Pavel Datsyuk for Patrick Marleau and Kyle McLaren. Some other names, such as Mike Grier and Jason Williams, might have to be added in to make the money even, but that seems like a fair deal overall that suits the needs of both teams.

The part in bold is where we disagree.

The reasons that you listed for a trade are correct, but there is also another reason that one may make a trade: To strengthen a team weakness. You said it yourself that even without Schneider, this team would still be strong on defense. However, we are weak on the wings, so it would make perfect sense to move Schneider to fill one of the wing positions. In that event, we would still have a strong enough defensive group (as you mentioned), but we could also add Leetch to help cover some of the loss.

We would basically be downgrading our strength (defense) a little bit to upgrade our weakness (the wing position).

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Hopefully not, Leetch is too old and the Wings don't need any more age now!

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The part in bold is where we disagree.

The reasons that you listed for a trade are correct, but there is also another reason that one may make a trade: To strengthen a team weakness. You said it yourself that even without Schneider, this team would still be strong on defense. However, we are weak on the wings, so it would make perfect sense to move Schneider to fill one of the wing positions. In that event, we would still have a strong enough defensive group (as you mentioned), but we could also add Leetch to help cover some of the loss.

We would basically be downgrading our strength (defense) a little bit to upgrade our weakness (the wing position).

My point was that if we trade Schneider for a winger, Leetch STILL doesn't make sense. Not over signing a defensive guy or trading for one. Leetch only makes sense if Schneider and Kronwall or Lebda are gone.

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If we traded Schneider for a forward that we need, then there would still be other types of defensemen that we could use ahead of a guy like Leetch. However, if Leetch was the only option available after the Schneider trade, then it couldn't hurt to add him.