Fedorov is self-centred; more conclusive proof

[superstarsingh 23]

Go Flyers.

[datsyukonethree 0]

But he can also play wing or defense if needed.

Go Caps!

[Reds4Life 51]

Then why the hell are you busting my balls. If you aren't against it and i'm for it then just zip it. Or are you arguing just to argue?

Where else am I trying to lead the conversation? Whether you were responding to me or Opie you posed that ridiculous question about why should'nt we have a separate thread only for injuries or trades or whatever? What was your point? I certainly read it as an opposition to creating subforums hence my response to you.

I am not arguing with you. This is discussion. Arguing is different imho.

I was writing to Opie that starting these threads is not technical problem.

And to you, that it is easy to ignore and that you make too much noise about that, which I still think.

But if Matt decided to make subforum for non-wings players or whatever you wanna call it, I am OK with that.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Wow, you can be brutal in your posts, but I find it oddly hilarious. I just laughed for a good 30 seconds when I read this, although I actually agree with a lot of what the guy you were jabbing at was saying.

I'm supposed to be brutal and you are supposed to find it hilarious. I'm like this in real life. People either love me or they hate me. I'm super opinionated and I make no bones about it. But, I do get along with many people here that don't agree with a thing I say. What's that corny saying Sean Connery says in the Oscar winning film First Knight: "there's a peace that's only to be found on the other side of war"

That's the case sometimes with me. I like to drop some nukes and then if both sides can chuckle a bit about it, not take it too serious and move on i'm generally cordial with those folks from that point on.

Now on this issue, its just really bugging the crap out of me. We have so many Fedorov threads its absurd to me. That's cool that you agree with the other guy. Do you have an opinion on whether or not the board would be better with a Wings only section and an NHL section separate from it? Or are you of the crowd that thinks I should be quiet, have to deal with seeing all the threads clutter up the boards and just not click on them?

You know there isn't a single Fedorov thread on the first page of the Caps message board? Just food for thought.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I am not arguing with you. This is discussion. Arguing is different imho.

I was writing to Opie that starting these threads is not technical problem.

And to you, that it is easy to ignore and that you make too much noise about that, which I still think.

But if Matt decided to make subforum for non-wings players or whatever you wanna call it, I am OK with that.

COOL!

[Opie 308]

I do not overload the boards with Fedorov threads.

Just think..topics about players are technical problem? Then YOU obviously have no idea what are you talking about.

If it was a problem, then admin can delete old topics, why do we have 248 pages of threads? Why do we have GDT from January 8, 2006, tell me?

Posting this thread had certain information value, why are you complaining about that. We do not have THAT many threads about Fedorov as you are trying to show.

edit:

Why do people keep complaing about this particular thing if you can simply ignore it. You would not waste your energy and time. A double win.

First off, my you in that first part was meant as a general you, not you specific.

Secondly way to generalize, it is not the fact that posters are putting up new posts about feds I have a problem with, I have a problem with repetitive threads in general. You will notice not once did I say this was a feds specific problem.

Why then do the mods merge posts?

Why then do the mods delete duplicate threads about articles?

Do you (specific this time) have any experience with DB's, Web hosting, information systems, networks, at all, if you do you will realize that even a simple 7k email/text file can eventually lead to insufficient data space. And if that happens to you at work (you may have been asked by your friendly sys admin to delete your emails once in a while) your company has money and the business case to buy terabytes of space. However the lovely folks at LGW don't have as much money as a company nor do they probably have the credit.

Even if you are a student, eventually files have to be cleaned out, eventually space needs to be made, I am not saying that all of these threads are going to take LGW down, but they have their cumulative affect and to ignore that is ignorance in it's truest form.

Dude if you think there are not that many feds threads it is because you are only reading the topic, for instance, the whose Jersey will get retired thread, which started out harmless turned into a Feds thread after about 2 pages.

Since 4/1/08 there are 10 (that I had the energy to look through) Feds threads, that is more than 1 a day!

To your edit:

Why can't people look for existing threads it is just as easy!

BTW my new favorite phrase is Feds Threads rolls right off of the tongue!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

First off, my you in that first part was meant as a general you, not you specific.

Secondly way to generalize, it is not the fact that posters are putting up new posts about feds I have a problem with, I have a problem with repetitive threads in general. You will notice not once did I say this was a feds specific problem.

Why then do the mods merge posts?

Why then do the mods delete duplicate threads about articles?

Do you (specific this time) have any experience with DB's, Web hosting, information systems, networks, at all, if you do you will realize that even a simple 7k email/text file can eventually lead to insufficient data space. And if that happens to you at work (you may have been asked by your friendly sys admin to delete your emails once in a while) your company has money and the business case to buy terabytes of space. However the lovely folks at LGW don't have as much money as a company nor do they probably have the credit.

Even if you are a student, eventually files have to be cleaned out, eventually space needs to be made, I am not saying that all of these threads are going to take LGW down, but they have their cumulative affect and to ignore that is ignorance in it's truest form.

Dude if you think there are not that many feds threads it is because you are only reading the topic, for instance, the whose Jersey will get retired thread, which started out harmless turned into a Feds thread after about 2 pages.

Since 4/1/08 there are 10 (that I had the energy to look through) Feds threads, that is more than 1 a day!

To your edit:

Why can't people look for existing threads it is just as easy!

BTW my new favorite phrase is Feds Threads rolls right off of the tongue!

Hey Opie, you have to pay me 8 pence everytime you use the term Feds Threads! Unless of course somebody can prove they coined that phrase before me.

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

I'm supposed to be brutal and you are supposed to find it hilarious. I'm like this in real life. People either love me or they hate me. I'm super opinionated and I make no bones about it. But, I do get along with many people here that don't agree with a thing I say. What's that corny saying Sean Connery says in the Oscar winning film First Knight: "there's a peace that's only to be found on the other side of war"

That's the case sometimes with me. I like to drop some nukes and then if both sides can chuckle a bit about it, not take it too serious and move on i'm generally cordial with those folks from that point on.

Now on this issue, its just really bugging the crap out of me. We have so many Fedorov threads its absurd to me. That's cool that you agree with the other guy. Do you have an opinion on whether or not the board would be better with a Wings only section and an NHL section separate from it? Or are you of the crowd that thinks I should be quiet, have to deal with seeing all the threads clutter up the boards and just not click on them?

You know there isn't a single Fedorov thread on the first page of the Caps message board? Just food for thought.

I actually posted earlier in this thread that I thought your idea was really good about creating a Wings section and then another section for the rest of the league. I think that post got lost in the shuffle though, because like five posts went up all within a couple minutes of each other. So, yes, I agree with you about that. I also agree with Opie about combining threads based on topic. I think both ideas a very good, and deserve consideration. And I don't think that if someone has an idea that could help the site they should keep it to themselves. Nothing has ever been accomplished by not sharing ideas. My only thing was that since your idea is not how the site is right now, and everyone ignores Opie's constant pleading to combine threads, people should just ignore threads they don't like for the time being. That is my overall opinion on this topic: for the time being, until things change, ignore the threads you think are pointless, stupid, etc.

[DaKineMaui 8]

[Reds4Life 51]

First off, my you in that first part was meant as a general you, not you specific.

Secondly way to generalize, it is not the fact that posters are putting up new posts about feds I have a problem with, I have a problem with repetitive threads in general. You will notice not once did I say this was a feds specific problem.

Why then do the mods merge posts?

Why then do the mods delete duplicate threads about articles?

Do you (specific this time) have any experience with DB's, Web hosting, information systems, networks, at all, if you do you will realize that even a simple 7k email/text file can eventually lead to insufficient data space. And if that happens to you at work (you may have been asked by your friendly sys admin to delete your emails once in a while) your company has money and the business case to buy terabytes of space. However the lovely folks at LGW don't have as much money as a company nor do they probably have the credit.

Even if you are a student, eventually files have to be cleaned out, eventually space needs to be made, I am not saying that all of these threads are going to take LGW down, but they have their cumulative affect and to ignore that is ignorance in it's truest form.

Dude if you think there are not that many feds threads it is because you are only reading the topic, for instance, the whose Jersey will get retired thread, which started out harmless turned into a Feds thread after about 2 pages.

Since 4/1/08 there are 10 (that I had the energy to look through) Feds threads, that is more than 1 a day!

To your edit:

Why can't people look for existing threads it is just as easy!

BTW my new favorite phrase is Feds Threads rolls right off of the tongue!

Actually I study IT (Faculty of Information Technology, Brno to be exact) so I have pretty good idea about that, I would say. I agree with you that, if people would post this into already existing topic, the generated traffic would be lower and required space in db too. I know that.

But even posting more than one thread about Fedorov a day (and I am fairly sure it is not THAT many on year's scale) generates less traffic than the need to load all the threads from 2005, 2006..do you agree?

So it is not technical problem, prunning old posts will help if site is slower. Of course that if we all try, we can lesser the load.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Reds4Life

[Guest wingsin08]

...uh, yeah...

...boo him, hate him, he sucks, he's old, he's washed up. Oh wait, he's still better than over half the current Red Wings. This thread is useless, I hope they play Washington so Fedorov can light up the Wings every chance he gets!

are you the guy in that picture?? roid rage??

[Opie 308]

Hey you and your beautiful weather, even more beautiful women can go chew and screw!!!!

That was just in reaction to your thermometer in your sig, I have been sitting in snowy New England for the past couple of months seeing that damn thing and I either want to marry you, alas I don't know if are male or female married or single, OR STRANGLE YOU!!!

Now onto your post, pure brilliance!!!

Edited April 10, 2008 by Opie

[Opie 308]

Actually I study IT (Faculty of Information Technology, Brno to be exact) so I have pretty good idea about that, I would say. I agree with you that, if people would post this into already existing topic, the generated traffic would be lower and required space in db too. I know that.

But even posting more than one thread about Fedorov a day (and I am fairly sure it is not THAT many on year's scale) generates less traffic than the need to load all the threads from 2005, 2006..do you agree?

So it is not technical problem, prunning old posts will help if site is slower. Of course that if we all try, we can lesser the load.

The only thing I disagree about with that post is that the traffic going the threads from 05, 06 is going to be minimal at best, the odds of some one going to a thread that is that old is less likely (by a wide margin) than the fresher ones.

BTW: Best of luck with IT, I used to be a teacher and got really tired of that quick, went back to school to get a BS in IT and I couldn't be happier with the decision!!!!!

[2probert4 8]

The Wings cannot afford to pick up a young player who is better than Fedorov for a long term deal because of Zetterberg's contract status. If Fedorov is willing to take a 1 or 2 year deal worth less than 2m per year, it would be a good investment for the Wings as far as quality of play and length of deal.

However, the Wings have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Kopecky, and Samuelsson either under contract for next year, or RFAs expected to return. That leaves two spots on the roster for the team to possibly acquire Bruunstrom and/or Fedorov, and/or to retain one or more of Downey, Drake, McCarty, and Hartigan. The Wings would get one more open spot to possibly use for a forward if one of Meech, Lebda, Quincey, Lilja, or Stuart does not come back next year.

The ideal solution from a contract and roster standpoint would see the Wings let go of as Samuelsson. That allows the Wings to add three forwards to the existing group of ten. I would prefer Fedorov, Bruunstrom, and one of Downey/McCarty. If the Wings chose not to bring back Lilja/Lebda, that allows them some roster flexibility and the time to play the better young guys like Meech and Quincey, as well as the ability to retain both Downey and McCarty.

The ideal lineup would be, based on these changes:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen

Bruunstrom/Fedorov/Cleary

Maltby/Draper/Kopecky

Downey

McCarty

Lidstrom/Rafalski

Kronwall/Stuart

Meech/Chelios

Quincey

Osgood

Howard

According to the Players Association, the Cap will rise approx 6 mill next season. Did you forget about that?

[Reds4Life 51]

The only thing I disagree about with that post is that the traffic going the threads from 05, 06 is going to be minimal at best, the odds of some one going to a thread that is that old is less likely (by a wide margin) than the fresher ones.

Yes, but less database bulk = improved speed.

Prunning is the best way, no db fragmentation. I think the posts from 2006 are kinda useless now and prunning them would only help the forums.

BTW: Best of luck with IT, I used to be a teacher and got really tired of that quick, went back to school to get a BS in IT and I couldn't be happier with the decision!!!!!

Thanks

[Opie 308]

Oh I agree pruning or Database maintenance would help tremendously, but that is again more work for someone who does this for free in their spare time!

I do also agree that the threads from 05 are pretty useless, but that is because I have no need to go back and look at them, someone else might, highly unlikely though.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Oh I agree pruning or Database maintenance would help tremendously, but that is again more work for someone who does this for free in their spare time!

I do also agree that the threads from 05 are pretty useless, but that is because I have no need to go back and look at them, someone else might, highly unlikely though.

Opie, you and Reds need to cut this crap out. First, I have absolutely no idea WTF you're talking about and I hate not knowing everything and 2, this is not helping my grass roots movement to fix things any faster. You two IT nerds need to get back onto the topic of how lazy and sucky feds threads are!

[auxlepli 17]

Many players are great athletes. That doesn't necessarily make them un-selfish or admirable.

[imisssergei 0]

My god. I just spent, no I just wasted a good half hour reading every post in this thread.

Here is my take on the whole changing the forum layout idea.

Not a bad idea, in theory.

However, if the DB of LGW were to ever get so bogged down, why not just delete some of the 240+ pages of threads? I think the biggest problem with separating the forum in to a Wings section, and a NHL section is that it won't really make much difference. People will still find a way to weasel in the Fedorov, Lang, Belfour, ect. threads into the Wings section. Then you would just have even more Fedorov threads, there are no two ways around that.

Furthermore, if you are complaining simply because you don't want to have to scroll through more than one page to find a topic, you are just being lazy, move on. It takes one freaking click to get to the next page. Grow up, stop whining, and move on.

In closing, I agree 100% that there are too many Fedorov threads. Don't get me wrong, he's my homeboy, but there comes a time when we don't need to discuss why or why not his jersey should be retired 6 times a month in different threads. However, it isn't as if topics about Fedorov are the only problem. How about the Ozzie vs Dom threads? Or the (insert current LGW whipping boy) is lazy and he sucks threads? There are far too many repetitive themes in the threads.

How about this. We all act like adults, and stop posting redundant threads? I think this would make life a lot easier for Matt. I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

BTW- way to hijack another thread GST.

Edited April 11, 2008 by imisssergei

[Nev 1,085]

Here is a question, it is as easy to search the forum for a thread about Feds

Why do you keep banging on about the search function? Since the article in question was only put on the Freep website yesterday, how would the search help?

[Opie 308]

Because there are already multiple threads on Fedorov, that is why.

I am not ragging on you for starting the thread. I jumped into the conversation when it had turned to GS&T's idea about the new forum.

But here is an example:

About 2 weeks ago I wanted to post about Koivu and the fact that at the start of the year he said the Canadians were not contenders. His quote was misused and there was a thread here about how Koivu was a bad captain for talking about his team that way.

Instead of starting a new thread, I searched for the old one and brought it back up.

That is my point, especially if the thread or topic is only one or two pages deep in the forum.

That is why I keep bringing that up.

[RedArmy 4]

how does this make Fedorov self centered? I just lost a brain cell posting in the thread...

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

My god. I just spent, no I just wasted a good half hour reading every post in this thread.

Here is my take on the whole changing the forum layout idea.

Not a bad idea, in theory.

However, if the DB of LGW were to ever get so bogged down, why not just delete some of the 240+ pages of threads? I think the biggest problem with separating the forum in to a Wings section, and a NHL section is that it won't really make much difference. People will still find a way to weasel in the Fedorov, Lang, Belfour, ect. threads into the Wings section. Then you would just have even more Fedorov threads, there are no two ways around that.

Furthermore, if you are complaining simply because you don't want to have to scroll through more than one page to find a topic, you are just being lazy, move on. It takes one freaking click to get to the next page. Grow up, stop whining, and move on.

In closing, I agree 100% that there are too many Fedorov threads. Don't get me wrong, he's my homeboy, but there comes a time when we don't need to discuss why or why not his jersey should be retired 6 times a month in different threads. However, it isn't as if topics about Fedorov are the only problem. How about the Ozzie vs Dom threads? Or the (insert current LGW whipping boy) is lazy and he sucks threads? There are far too many repetitive themes in the threads.

How about this. We all act like adults, and stop posting redundant threads? I think this would make life a lot easier for Matt. I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

BTW- way to hijack another thread GST.

The bolded part is the only meaningful thing you said.

As for the part of it being a theory. Actually it works like a finely tuned machine on other forums I visit. If you post in the wrong section people let you know about it immediately. It becomes second nature eventually and people make certain they don't post in the wrong place. And if they continue to ignore the rules the mods get involved.

Sorry it seems like rocket science to you but its really rather simple. If anyone can handle simple its you.