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wouldn't intent to injure equal suspension?

circular logic and word games are how you like to debate, I think we've all seen this before on here,

the 5 or 8 game suspension was your example of how there shouldn't be a different set of rules for certain players. this was never brought up by anyone. the point is there was no suspension at all, no penalty called. But it was a cheap shot and a direct intent to injure somebody in a specific area of the body they were coming back from injury on. This is clear. The league should've suspended him for his dirty play.

Should he be suspended if he'd done it to Maltby instead?

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Should he be suspended if he'd done it to Maltby instead?

yeah, I'd love to see him get suspended if he did it to Maltby. I'm sick of the clutch and grab, the neanderthal hockey, get the goons out and let the skilled players do their thing. Call it Euro hockey if you will, but I want to see the skilled players doing their thing.

I think that's the way to grow the game, regardless of which network it's on. Open it up as much as possible, when hockey is played with speed and skill it's the best sport in the world. the fairweathers are turned off by the goonery, I'd much rather see two guys fight than all the cheap stuff, there's no honor in it, it takes absolutely no skill to sucker punch, speer, or slash someone.

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yeah, I'd love to see him get suspended if he did it to Maltby. I'm sick of the clutch and grab, the neanderthal hockey, get the goons out and let the skilled players do their thing. Call it Euro hockey if you will, but I want to see the skilled players doing their thing.

I think that's the way to grow the game, regardless of which network it's on. Open it up as much as possible, when hockey is played with speed and skill it's the best sport in the world. the fairweathers are turned off by the goonery, I'd much rather see two guys fight than all the cheap stuff, there's no honor in it, it takes absolutely no skill to sucker punch, speer, or slash someone.

OK, so, on this we agree. Cheap shots and sucker punches don't belong. But why the concern over the concussion then? It's as I said - a cheap shot is a cheap shot.

I don't disagree that Roberts should sit a game or two. But I don't think it should be treated differently or thought of any differently by the league or the team or the fans just because of injury history, recent or no. Because when you do, you lend a degree of legitimacy to it if they hit a guy who is 100% healthy. When you drive-by punch a guy in the head, there's a risk of him being hurt no matter what. Treat it all the same.

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Gotta agree with betterRED on this one. If Franzen is at further risk from someone touching his head, he shouldn't play. Roberts should NOT be punished harder because he hit Franzen in the head probably knowing he had a "concussion". If that was punishable, the NHL would go further down the crapshoot. Teams could release faulty reports that their player had a concussion or an injury and then when their player gets hit, they cry foul and the offending player is suspended. Roberts does NOT deserve to be suspended.

However, that doesn't mean the Wings can't punish him the old fashioned way. i.e. a nice check into the boards, a fight that leaves him bloodied, etc. This is one of those "let the people on the ice" handle it situations. This is getting blown way out of proportion.

edited: grammar

teams already release faulty reports but if the league wouldn't allow such dirty play to go on there'd be no more of it.

there's no "let them determine it on the ice" with the instigator rule. that's why there's all the cheapshots out there now.

if roberts sucker punches him again and he has another concussion and is never the same with a shortened career would you still feel the same way? or is that just hockey?

the headhunter deserves to be suspended

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OK, so, on this we agree. Cheap shots and sucker punches don't belong. But why the concern over the concussion then? It's as I said - a cheap shot is a cheap shot.

I don't disagree that Roberts should sit a game or two. But I don't think it should be treated differently or thought of any differently by the league or the team or the fans just because of injury history, recent or no. Because when you do, you lend a degree of legitimacy to it if they hit a guy who is 100% healthy. When you drive-by punch a guy in the head, there's a risk of him being hurt no matter what. Treat it all the same.

a cheap shot is a cheap shot but there is direct intent to injure, why didn't Roberts speer him in the gut?

a drive by punch can always result in injury agreed but in the context of the game you know exactly why he (and 2 others) did it.

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again, esteef, nobody has advocated more of a penalty. if there was no intent to injure then why didn't roberts hit him in the leg?

and just b/c there was no penalty called doesn't mean there shouldn't have been one. The league can fine or suspend players for altercations after reviewing the tape.

nobody is saying he can't get hit (checked, leagally in the game) I will take issue when that "hit" is a sucker punch to the head.

You're arguing things I'm not even arguing. I think the "hit" should've been penalized, I just don't think the fact that Franzen is coming off an injury should play into it, at least on the on-ice call. The league can do whatever they want after the fact.

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I am confused as to what thread i'm posting in at this point, but Don Cherry & Roberts have basically done the same thing here.......their jobs.

Don Cherry says the controversial stuff to get the reactions he gets. Reaction for him = more veiwers = he earns more for his employer(s).

Roberts ( & Malone ) gave the Mule a poke for basically the same reason, to get a reaction from the Wings....no doubt hoping to draw them into coming after him. His efforts fell short.

IMO Franzen is fairgame, as was lindros, beukoboom , neidermeyer or anyone else who ever got there bell wrung, but came back to play.

If the Wings want to take care of it "old school style"... then they do not go after Roberts, they simply give the green light for a few guys to let things escalate with #87 & #71 & see which team loses it focus quicker.

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