e_144 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 That's because the Blues rarely make a spalsh in the UFA pool. History has shown that. Suggesting they move Mason or Legace so they have more room than the $11 million they already have is ridiculous. They aren't going to pick up anyone of significance as it is, so to suggest they should move one of their goalies to create more space isn't needed or close to being necessary. well they are gonna have to do something...! they should atleast try to sign a few players for 2-3 min. even if its just to help develope the young draft picks who are practically forced to go straight into the big leagues. it can work out well sometimes or even most times, but it can have pretty bad effects as well. look at partrik stefan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Here is my take If I were the GM of.... Anaheim... I'd tell Selanne and Niedermayer to stop coming back and let some of the youth we have develop. (Miller and Ryan). Drop George Parros, that mustache makes him look like a pedophile. No offensive talent. Vancouver... Package a deal for the Sedins. They aren't siamese twins... They'll get over it. Edmonton... Need a veteran presence, the youth movement in Edmonton isn't working. Colorado... Stop living in the Forsberg/Sakic era, their time is done. They need to move on. St. Louis... Get the broadcaster out of the front office and behind the mic where he belongs. It's not working for the Lions, it's not working for the Blues either. Chicago... Stay the course. Rocky Wirtz has done a great job in turning the Hawks around from the dark days of his father, "Dollar Bill". Columbus... Nash could be a greater player if he had a solid group around him. They've had what 10+ straight drafts in the top 10 and they still haven't made the playoffs yet. Toronto... I'd shoot myself. they're hopeless. Washington... Should have signed Huet. Theodore isn't what he used to be. They need more than just A.O. Phoenix... Gretzky was one of the best players in the league... He's not a great coach (sorry). Phoenix has a great pool of prospects, including a couple of U of M guys. They do have a solid goaltender with Bryzgalov. Florida... Hope a hurricane blows through town and wipes this team off the map, it's not pretty.. Atlanta... See "Toronto" You forgot one... Pittsburgh....get over it, everybody left because you have a terrible coach and except for Crosby and Malkin, you don't have a very good team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spinner 6 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 from a GM of avs perspective: not a good idea. didnt u see the episode where they get there asses kicked by that familiar team in red? Yes but that team in red kicks everyones azz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dump-N-Thump Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Lilja has proven time and time again that he can kill penalties, which of the D-men you mentioned can kill penalties at the NHL, not do you think can, which ones are known penalty killers? Sammy has a hell of a lot more scoring touch than either Helm or Kopecky have shown. 5 goals in the playoffs including the first ever 2 unassisted goals to start a game, including a game winner in a SCF game. Don't get caught up in the bashing of players on this board, it is a whipping boy ideal, not a this player is actually only worth a bag of pucks. Let me know the last time Kopecky, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino or any of the other youngsters scored a 40 point season, or had an NHL season in which they scored more than 10 goals, let alone 23. Also look up the last time any of them scored 5 goals in the post season, better yet tell me how many wings scored 5+ goals in the playoffs? (I'll give you a hint, there were 3 who scored more than him and 2 that scored as many as he did). So I guess no one on the wings has a scoring touch, not Huds, not flip. Then you add to the fact that Sammy is defensively responsible. YES Lilja and Sammy make mistakes but wasn't Lids who put a puck in his own net this season? I am not comparing either of them to Lids, but if he is the best player in the world (IMO he is) and even he makes mistakes what do you expect from depth guys? I will wager that Maltby or Mac were larger weaknesses than Sammy or Lilja. But Maltby has been a wing for so long you can not knock on him, because once he was a very good agitator and he used to be a great pker. He lives more on his past reputation than anything he has done recently. Great Post. I disagree with Malts though..He still is a great pker and a decent agitator.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry I was typing fast, and didn't check it prior to posting. I am just glad I am not the only one here that messes up. No, you are... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 well they are gonna have to do something...! they should atleast try to sign a few players for 2-3 min. even if its just to help develope the young draft picks who are practically forced to go straight into the big leagues. it can work out well sometimes or even most times, but it can have pretty bad effects as well. look at partrik stefan... Why are they gonna have to do something? To a Red Wings fan that's used to winning.....they should do something, but right now they are above the cap floor, and may just add a couple other mediocre depth guys during the preseason and head into the season with what they have. STL may be more interested in building for their future than an immediate turnaround that will deprive their youth of experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
detroit4life 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 K I will be GM of the Avs. Starting with a cap of $40.575M. Leaving me $16.125M to work with. First things first. Tell Forsberg to GO HOME. Then trade Guite, Arnason and Leopold for picks. That would free up another $3.175M Sign Jason Smith($1.976M) to take Leopold's place. Sign Selanne ($1.5M), Rucinsky ($3M) and Fedorov ($4M). I would be crying at the skeleton list of free agent goalies. So I'd be forced to keep Budaj and Raycroft. The cap I would be left with would be $47.401M, giving me plenty of wiggle room at the deadline. My roster will look like this: Smyth - Stastny - Hejduk Rucinsky - Fedorov - Selanne Wolski - Sakic - Svatos Tucker - McCormick - Laperriere. Foote - Liles Smith - Hannan Clark - Salei Budaj Raycroft Everyone woud be signed to 2 year deals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 K I will be GM of the Avs. Starting with a cap of $40.575M. Leaving me $16.125M to work with. First things first. Tell Forsberg to GO HOME. Then trade Guite, Arnason and Leopold for picks. That would free up another $3.175M Sign Jason Smith($1.976M) to take Leopold's place. Sign Selanne ($1.5M), Rucinsky ($3M) and Fedorov ($4M). I would be crying at the skeleton list of free agent goalies. So I'd be forced to keep Budaj and Raycroft. The cap I would be left with would be $47.401M, giving me plenty of wiggle room at the deadline. My roster will look like this: Smyth - Stastny - Hejduk Rucinsky - Fedorov - Selanne Wolski - Sakic - Svatos Tucker - McCormick - Laperriere. Foote - Liles Smith - Hannan Clark - Salei Budaj Raycroft Everyone woud be signed to 2 year deals. I Like it , but Sakic may retire and with that much cap room You can easily go out and get youth, Id try and Keep Svatos and bring in Hartigan and Peca, since Naslund is a Ranger now itll be hard to replace Sakic if he retires....Fedorov would be a decent choice, Also Add Codey Burki to the roster from the farm team 70 games 85 pts. then use the remaining cap space for deadline deals if any araise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted July 9, 2008 No, you are... Lets not revert back to your meltdown during last season! lol! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
detroit4life 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2008 I Like it , but Sakic may retire and with that much cap room You can easily go out and get youth, Id try and Keep Svatos and bring in Hartigan and Peca, since Naslund is a Ranger now itll be hard to replace Sakic if he retires....Fedorov would be a decent choice, Also Add Codey Burki to the roster from the farm team 70 games 85 pts. then use the remaining cap space for deadline deals if any araise I would have loved to have put Peca on there, but he was recently re signed by Columbus, so he was off the market. And I just used available names at the time. I would have loved to have seen this thread on July 1st. Then some really good projections could have been made. Right now we are scraping bottom. Lol Although if Sakic retired, I would have changed my answer to have Sundin signed. Top 3 centres as Sundin, Stastny, Fedorov. and still have tons of cap space? Damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted July 9, 2008 winning the cup is never a fluke!... You missed my point. To win a cup one year and then not make the playoffs the next is not acceptable to me as a GM. I understand that you can't build a winner over night but you should be progressing towards something...not degressing. The Red Wings have been knocking on the door for 14+ years and haven't looked back. Other teams should stop worrying about winning now and set a more realistic goal of winning long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted July 9, 2008 You missed my point. To win a cup one year and then not make the playoffs the next is not acceptable to me as a GM. I understand that you can't build a winner over night but you should be progressing towards something...not regressing. The Red Wings have been knocking on the door for 14+ years and haven't looked back. Other teams should stop worrying about winning now and set a more realistic goal of winning long term. Problem is that few GMs/coaches have the job security to go with a "win tomorrow" type of mentality. Those guys constantly feel the pressure to start pulling out "W's" immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) Problem is that few GMs/coaches have the job security to go with a "win tomorrow" type of mentality. Those guys constantly feel the pressure to start pulling out "W's" immediately. Then they need to go to their respective bosses and say this is what the problems are this is what I am going to do to fix it and this is the time table needed and if they aren't given this area to work in then don't accept the position. It also depends on the state of the team, some teams are only a piece or two away, (The Red Wings when Bowman took over.) Other teams need a top to bottom overhaul. (Leafs, Kings, etc...) I will equate it to my job. I am a bank manager and recently took over a poorly performing branch. I am not going to turn it into the top branch in the state or the region in one quarter, you have to start by changing the culture and getting everyone to buy into what you are doing, you'll have to weed out some people along the way and keep building the core, eventually the results will come, and when they do come they will stay long after I've left because the foundation is in place...too many GM's try too keep the Dam from breaking by sticking their fingers in all the holes...that only works for so long. Edited July 9, 2008 by Booster313 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 (edited) Can I see your algorithm fort that prorated number I don't understand how a guy who's full contract is 1.2 mil can go up to 5.47 with less than a full season left? If it is a 1.2 hit for a full year for Detroit why would it be higher with 1/3 of the season left, and why 5 x's higher? sorry for the late reply. cap number is a time-weighted figure (weighted nature only comes into play if a player is traded or has a 2-way contract). here were example figures used in 2007: lets say Player A has a one-way nhl contract at $1.2m per year. $1200000 salary/187 total days season = $6417 cap hit per day thus $6417 cap hit per day * 41 days remaining after trade deadline = $263101 player's new cap number post-deadline. at the trade deadline, a team that carried $1m cap space all season could theoretically add at least 3 equivalents of Player A contracts. of course i could be all wrong... Edited July 11, 2008 by Grim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites