up2here 41 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det080725.html Not really earth shattering info,but good to see it in print. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Get R done kenny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 no brainer with zetterberg, but after getting hossa I wondered if there was a chance they might let franzen go after this season. Good to hear kenny isn't going to let that happen mainly because my sweet franzen jersey will be good for more than a year now haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 28, 2008 http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det080725.html Not really earth shattering info,but good to see it in print. SHOCKING! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 "Certainly Zetterberg's priority No.1, and Franzen's gonna be priority No.2 heading into this upcoming season," Holland said. Zetterberg will make $2.9 million next season, and could triple his salary, while Franzen is set to make $1.15 million in 2008-09 and could do the same. I would hope they can get Henrik signed for less than 8.7M per. 3.45M for Franzen may be reasonable if he continues to put up 20 - 30 goals a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 No way does Hank go past the 8 mark. Mule's a huge question mark, but I expect him to come back down to earth a little after last season and put himself somewhere around 3.5-4. It depends largely on what Flip gets -- or doesn't get.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 No way does Hank go past the 8 mark. Mule's a huge question mark, but I expect him to come back down to earth a little after last season and put himself somewhere around 3.5-4. It depends largely on what Flip gets -- or doesn't get.... Agreed. With the paycuts Lids takes and him being the benchmark for salaries in Detroit, I assume Z will end up with a long-term (5-6 years) contract in the $7.25-$7.40 million range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Agreed. With the paycuts Lids takes and him being the benchmark for salaries in Detroit, I assume Z will end up with a long-term (5-6 years) contract in the $7.25-$7.40 million range. I think Zetterberg will set the new benchmark for when Lidstrom retires. I could see him making 7.6 or so, but not much more in a long term deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 I think Zetterberg will set the new benchmark for when Lidstrom retires. I could see him making 7.6 or so, but not much more in a long term deal. I would agree with that, but what does that mean for the 09/10 season? Lids is signed through that year at $7.45, so are you assuming Z will have the same amount (or slightly less than that) during the 09/10 season and then his contract will get proportionally larger averaging out to $7.6 per? Or do you think Kenny will get the okay from Lids and he'll have a flat rate of $7.6? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingedKitten 9 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) Z has too much respect for Lids to take more than 7.4. I would expect something like 7.3, and that would be a discount. Edited July 28, 2008 by RedWingedKitten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Zetterberg has said numerous times priority one is staying with Detroit and it isn't a huge money issue. That said, he deserves a bundle, but I think you can appeal to his team first mentality and the fact that Datsyuk signed a HUGE discount compared to what any player comparable to him is making. I do see Zetterberg being the new standard on the team after Lidstrom leaves as far as highest salary, but until then he won't want more than Nick. Also keep in mind that Hank is going to be the next captain of the team without a doubt, has been around long enough to understand why the big red machine runs the way it does, and he has other irons in the fire so-to-speak considering things he does outside of hockey and being of celebrity status in Sweden. Realist number for Hank would be the same or just below Lidstrom, he deserves around $8mil+, but it would be an absolute dream if we could somehow get him to sign similar to Datsyuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 I'd like to see Zetterberg get the same salary than Datsyuk. Sure that is about 2-3 million less than what he would get from somewhere else. Overall salaries have gotten higher since Datsyuk got his extension. I just think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are equally valuable to Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 I'd like to see Zetterberg get the same salary than Datsyuk. Sure that is about 2-3 million less than what he would get from somewhere else. Overall salaries have gotten higher since Datsyuk got his extension. I just think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are equally valuable to Red Wings. Z and Dats may (or may not) be equally valuable to the Wings, but that doesn't change the fact the salary cap playing field is much different than when Datsyuk signed his extension. TBH, no different than when Z signed his four year deal when the cap was $39 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 I'd like to see Zetterberg get the same salary than Datsyuk. Sure that is about 2-3 million less than what he would get from somewhere else. Overall salaries have gotten higher since Datsyuk got his extension. I just think that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are equally valuable to Red Wings. Datsyuk signed his contract when the cap was at 39m, if he signed one this summer he'd be getting paid more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Zetterberg has said numerous times priority one is staying with Detroit and it isn't a huge money issue. That said, he deserves a bundle, but I think you can appeal to his team first mentality and the fact that Datsyuk signed a HUGE discount compared to what any player comparable to him is making. I do see Zetterberg being the new standard on the team after Lidstrom leaves as far as highest salary, but until then he won't want more than Nick. Also keep in mind that Hank is going to be the next captain of the team without a doubt, has been around long enough to understand why the big red machine runs the way it does, and he has other irons in the fire so-to-speak considering things he does outside of hockey and being of celebrity status in Sweden. Realist number for Hank would be the same or just below Lidstrom, he deserves around $8mil+, but it would be an absolute dream if we could somehow get him to sign similar to Datsyuk. It wasn't a "HUGE" discount at the time he signed. Now it looks like an absolute bargain/steal, but at the time Dats had never performed well in the postseason, didn't play nearly as tough/chippy as he does now, and his defensive play is night and day different than it was before his new contract. Given what's happened with the Cap the past few seasons, the market change and the transformation of his game, now it looks like one of the biggest bargains in the NHL......just like Z's looks right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Datsyuk signed his contract when the cap was at 39m, if he signed one this summer he'd be getting paid more. IIRC, he signed it when the cap was $45 million, but I completely agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Its funny how much of a bargain Datsyuk appears to be now. Back when he signed, we all pretty much felt like this: if it's 7 mill they got hosed... if it's over 5.5 i'll be annoyed http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41642 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiser19 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Dats' hometown discount was an enormous sign of willingness to buy into the Holland's take less system (especially for a Russian, Sorry if that offends anyone). However Zeterburg has been far underpaid the last two years, I expect he will take a hometown discount somewhere in the $7.2 range. I don't see Holland signing Hulder, Hossa or Franzen until the next years cap is announced. This will give him the opportunity see just what type of player Franzen and Hulder will be during the new season and also allow Hossa to buy into the family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Dats' hometown discount was an enormous sign of willingness to buy into the Holland's take less system (especially for a Russian, Sorry if that offends anyone). Not at the time, it wasn't. *Now* its an absolute bargain. I don't see Holland signing Hulder, Hossa or Franzen until the next years cap is announced. This will give him the opportunity see just what type of player Franzen and Hulder will be during the new season and also allow Hossa to buy into the family. Holland has already stated he wants to get Franzen locked up sometime during the season. That only makes sense, because if Franzen even somewhat continues his tear, it'll only end up costing the Wings more in the long run....especially if Holland were to wait until the 09/10 cap number is announced. No way does Kenny wait until a few weeks before Franzen becomes an UFA to lock him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Its funny how much of a bargain Datsyuk appears to be now. Back when he signed, we all pretty much felt like this: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41642 Yeah, I remember that thread. Who was the genious that posted this? At this point it appears that blasting the deal is the quick knee-jerk reaction when you see the numbers involved in it. But, looking at the bigger picture I think it's solid deal. As Terry Foster (I think) pointed out, it's very likely the "dark days" of the NHL could very well be behind us... The cap is going up again and that makes the ceiling for the max-contract higher and higher... It's not out of the realm of possibility that max contract will, again, top $10M two or three years down the road. So, just 2-3 years in the contract the potential is there for the Wings to have a 100pt. player for just over HALF the max-contract amount. If the Wings signed him to a shorter deal, say 2-3 years, and he performs as expected you're looking at a $10M contract or he walks. He can't even re-negotiate his deal if he feels he's "underpaid" -- the new CBA doesn't even allow it. *snip* The playoffs *are* a factor -- but I don't think for a second that because Datsyuk has his contract he'll go through the motions. There's a stigma attached to his playoff performance, and while I think the heavy bashing on him for last season (he was hurt, after all) is unwarranted, he has been underwhelming. The injury derailed his attempt to bust that stigma and, if I'm a betting man, I think he'll do just fine in the postseason this year. *snip* I think this deal plays well to how the club will approach Zetterberg in two years, too. The Wings got a fantastic deal on his contract two years ago, and it has freed up money (in terms of value) on the cap. I would expect a leapfrog in two years, where Zetterberg (if the cap rises) makes around $8M/year (theoretically speaking) and it makes it possible because -- again, in terms of value -- Datsyuk would be *underpaid* with his long-term contract. Sorry. I just wanted to pat myself on the back. /smug jackass off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaynardJKeenan 1 Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Well played Matt, nicely done sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
