NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 I'm happy - very happy - with this deal. Everyone keeps saying how we've overpaid for him this season. Thats not true, we've overpaid for him last season, which was really his first full NHL season. For $3M we've got a solid 2-way centre - good on face-offs, good defensively, good skater, should put up 20 goals a year. As I said earlier, playing with Hossa and Mule (both in a contract year) he should put up career numbers. His biggest problem last year was consistancy. His streakiness is probly the biggest weakness in his game In 2013 I expect $3M will look like a bargain for him. How on earth did the Wings overpay for Filppula last season? His only made $850,000 (with a $733,000 cap hit) and put up 36 points. This year, his cap hit is more than quadruple what it was last season, and unless he scores 4-times as many points, how can you say we overpaid for him last year, but not this year? Note: I *do not* think this contract is an overpayment for Filppula. Just questioning this single point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingedKitten 9 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Alright. Good deal for Filppula. A little risky, but fortune favors the audacious. My name is Filppula, The mic-rula, The old schoolah, Ya wanna trip? I'll bring it to ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dump-N-Thump Report post Posted July 30, 2008 the majority of lgw also thinks downey should be in the lineup every night Good call. oh wait.. I dont reckon many people said that at all.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Good call. oh wait.. I dont reckon many people said that at all.. i have terrible news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) I'm happy with this because I really like Flip and think it has the potential to be a great deal in years to come. My only question is what will this do for Mule's upcoming contract negotiation? I have read many times on TGW that people think he signs for $3-3.5M per year. Do you think that this will up his price as well? [Edit] My point is that people talking about not being able to afford Hossa next year may end up being more because we will have to pay Mule more than was thought before this signing. BUT again I still really like this signing and think there might be a chance we still get to keep Hossa. Edited July 30, 2008 by Frozen-Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Yeah I hope you're right but I had a much better feeling about the Kronwall contract when it happened than about this one, to me Kronwall had shown he was worth it already and Filpulla really hasn't yet, but I'm just a fan so I would say Kronwall was more risky than Flip, Flip has shown he can stay healthy, at the time Kronwall signed his deal he was injured almost as much as Floppa.(Edit: exaggeration please take it as that) He had yet to play a season with out incurring a major injury, yet he was supposed to be a hard hitter. A hard hitter that is injury prone is a lot more risky than signing a play making center who in his second year with the big club has shown no injury issues and scored 36 points. Their is a lot of potential in both players, but if one is injury prone that makes him the bigger risk. Edited July 30, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 i guess i'll be the first to say that I think this is risky All signings are risky. Signing Hossa for 7.4mil is risky. What if he gets hurt? The question is how much risk are you willing to take. Kenny thinks that 5 years from now, Flip will be worth more than $3 mil a year. I think damn near everybody would say that that's a good bet. I think that Flip took a discount to stay with the Wings for 5 years. I am surprised that he agreed to play for only $3 mil a year for the next 5 years regardless of how much he improves. The only way this is a bad deal for the Wings is if he doesn't improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Alright. Good deal for Filppula. A little risky, but fortune favors the audacious. My name is Filppula, The mic-rula, The old schoolah, Ya wanna trip? I'll bring it to ya. Filppula get the money, G! Filppula get the honeys, G! Drivin in my car, livin like a star, Ice on my fingures and my toes now I'm a star. Uh, check check it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 I'm happy with this because I really like Flip and think it has the potential to be a great deal in years to come. My only question is what will this do for Mule's upcoming contract negotiation? I have read many times on TGW that people think he signs for $3-3.5M per year. Do you think that this will up his price as well? If mule plays like he did in March, April and May for the rest of this year, he is worth a hell of alot more than 3-3.5 mil. I think he's more like 4-5 mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 How on earth did the Wings overpay for Filppula last season? His only made $850,000 (with a $733,000 cap hit) and put up 36 points. This year, his cap hit is more than quadruple what it was last season, and unless he scores 4-times as many points, how can you say we overpaid for him last year, but not this year? Note: I *do not* think this contract is an overpayment for Filppula. Just questioning this single point. You've misunderstood my point - I'm saying people are criticising a $3M salary for Flip based upon last seasons performance, not what he might put up in 08-09 and beyond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 If mule plays like he did in March, April and May for the rest of this year, he is worth a hell of alot more than 3-3.5 mil. I think he's more like 4-5 mil. If he plays like he did in April and May, hed land himself a 50-60 goal season. Somehow I can't imagine a guy whos previous best goal total was 12 goals becoming one of the most prolific goal scorers in the new NHL. But then again, I'm taking your statement and running with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 wow Filppula is not worth more than Dan Cleary. The deal seems bad now in my opinion, but it could be a steal in few years. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a matter of the conditions when the contracts were signed. There are LOTS of forwards in the league that make alot more than Henrik Zetterburg but not many of them are anywhere as talented. Also Cleary was a no-show in the playoffs this year. Fil had a great playoff.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 I'm shaking like Arice89 after we got Hossa. 5 yrs,hell yeah! But with that salary comes big responsibility to put up huge points (at least in here),so I think he has to score 25+35 next season or he'll be the next LGW whipping boy. omg... what a overpayment!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Agreed. I dont think Chelios comes back now though. Not that it bothers me. Good ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...five_years.html "We'll have to make a decision based on the 23-man roster, the salary cap and age,'' Holland said. "We'll have to be prepared to trade some players. I would expect there would be interest in some of our players.'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 You've misunderstood my point - I'm saying people are criticising a $3M salary for Flip based upon last seasons performance, not what he might put up in 08-09 and beyond. Gotcha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Good deal, kenny wouldnt have signed this if he didn't see potential. The only flaw he really needs to work on is the finishing aspect, hes a great playmaker already and great defensively he just needs to pot a few more goals to be worth 3m. I definately see him scoring 60+ pts down the line especially if hes playing 2nd line center as he has been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superdeluxe 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Might be a little overpayment right now, but if he improves like we expect him too, the last 2-3 years of the deal will be a bargin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...five_years.html "We'll have to make a decision based on the 23-man roster, the salary cap and age,'' Holland said. "We'll have to be prepared to trade some players. I would expect there would be interest in some of our players.'' So, I'm guessing Lilja's as good as gone. Of all our spare defenceman, he's the highest paid and would fetch the most on the trade market. Obviously this deal seems a little hefty at the moment, but I'm glad we have Flip signed long-term as opposed to a one or two year deal. If he plays all year on the second line (possibly with Hossa), he's probably going to put up some solid numbers, and would cost even more to re-sign next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 So, I'm guessing Lilja's as good as gone. Of all our spare defenceman, he's the highest paid and would fetch the most on the trade market. Obviously this deal seems a little hefty at the moment, but I'm glad we have Flip signed long-term as opposed to a one or two year deal. If he plays all year on the second line (possibly with Hossa), he's probably going to put up some solid numbers, and would cost even more to re-sign next year. See bolded point below: Keeping Ericsson down one more season will give the Wings another $900,000 in cap room to go along with $610,000 they currently have (now including Filppula's cap hit). That means Kenny has a mere $1.51 million left to spend on 1-2 more forwards. Also, this assumes Cheli will not be on the Wings next season and that Lebda and Lilja will be. If anyone goes down, Meech can come up and if I'm doing this correctly his cap hit would be around $2,650 per day he's on the roster. That being said, I just don't see Kenny moving Lilja even though it seems to be the popular belief here. UFA sign and trade isn't a good idea for any team, and the Wings organization has shown more class than that. Lilja may be moved next year to accommodate Hossa, but I don't see it happening this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 30, 2008 I'm worried about that knee problem he has had for quiet some time now... im not surprised if he end up as kopecky this next season... don't think its a minor thing, it will break in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 A bit too rich, but I'll take it. Assuming he's put on a line with Hossa, I imagine this will look like a steal by season's end. Then again, Hossa could be gone at season's end. Oh well, we'll see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swiss_fan 3 Report post Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) That has nothing to do with anything. It's a matter of the conditions when the contracts were signed. There are LOTS of forwards in the league that make alot more than Henrik Zetterburg but not many of them are anywhere as talented. Also Cleary was a no-show in the playoffs this year. Fil had a great playoff.... I not agree at all! Filpulla was unvisible against Nashville and not really great for me during the others series except against the penguins. He was clearly weak on the puck and also easy to destabilize. We'll see... but for me it s like a gamble.. the guy could turn great or could end up like mindfly said. Edited July 30, 2008 by swiss_fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) On the Filppula contract: I will be cursing him alot this year, mainly for his contract, as it will be an overpayment this year at least, but during the length of the Contract I'm sure he will improve. Only problem is I like Hudler and Hossa more, and one fo them isgone for sure now. That has nothing to do with anything. It's a matter of the conditions when the contracts were signed. There are LOTS of forwards in the league that make alot more than Henrik Zetterburg but not many of them are anywhere as talented. Also Cleary was a no-show in the playoffs this year. Fil had a great playoff.... Cleary also lost 10 pds of muscle mass due to havinga broken jaw, was noticably smaller than he normally is, less physically Imposing, and had his vision restricted, and played 4th line minutes. Cleary is the type of guys you need in the playoffs when they are healthy. See bolded point below: Yeah, because the tri goalie thing in 03-04 was the epitome of class. Give me a break, it's not like Ken Holland and Jim Nill would pass on a trade for Stamkos for Maltby because "Maltby has been a long time Red Wing and it would break loyalty". The Wings are a classy orginization but I would hope building a competive team would be higher on the list. EDIT: Yes I know the Stamkos Maltby thing is dealing with extremes, but these men are profesissonals, a sign in trade may not be the classiest but if Lilija can get us more then Lebda, were moving Lilija Edited July 30, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 30, 2008 Níce that holland is opening for a trade... not only one, he said quote "some of our players", that sounds good to me, as long as both parties understands and are treated good... after training camp and preseason games we will see which guys it will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
