YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen will not demand 5 million, that's way too much considering Kronwall makes 3. If Hossa would accept 6.7 million, and 3.3 for the Mule, then maybe trading Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, and Lebda might be enough. If Chelios retires, that's another 0.75 million. Hossa accepts 6.7 when Paul Stastny can nab 6.6? Franzen won't command 5 because Kronwall is only making 3M? And I supposed the fact that Zetterberg is only make 2.65M on average stopped Filppula and Cleary from making more than Hank this year? Thats a nice little fantasy world you live in there. If Filppula can nab 3M per without hitting 20 goals or 40 points, at the rate Franzen is going, hes damn well going to get at least 4M per, and that is a very hopeful estimate. 5M is VERY plausible for Franzen at this point and if its coming down to spring and Franzens staring down 30 or 50 goals and 50 or 60 points unsigned, he'll have a market value of some 6M - nearly twice what you project. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 I don't see how he ISNT!!!! If he was doing this on any other team, I think he'd be getting a lot more publicity nationally. But with guys like Lidstrom, Zetts, Dats and Hossa, he's getting buried - which I think helps him. I'm still astounded as to where this guy came from. I know that he was a hockey phenom at 15 in Sweden, but because of various reasons, his offensive side never got a chance to blossom until late last year. Now it seems like he would actually have to work not to score in a game. It's going to make this summer very interesting. I'm sure the Wings would love to keep Zetts, Franzen and Hossa, but I don't know if that's possible. Franzen for all we know could get over $6M a year on the open market. Lord knows, as long as Sather's out there, anything's possible. But who knows? Maybe all three will take a home-town discount for long 7-year contracts. I'm done thinking that anythings impossible when Holland and co. are concerned. I'm actually starting to be more shocked if we don't get guys like Rich Nash for a measly 7th rounder. Hollands Kung-Fu is very strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 it's fair, but at the same time, how many of those players has scored 13 goals in a single playoff season? That's your comeback?? Seriously, if that's the only argument you have, I think you need to do a little better. He only had 3 goals in the playoffs the year before and only 1 the year before that. John Druce once scored 14 goals in 15 playoff games, that didn't vault him into super stardom. Franzen is nowhere near top 20 right now. That's not to say he won't be there by the end of the year, but as of right now, no way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 18, 2008 it's fair, but at the same time, how many of those players has scored 13 goals in a single playoff season? None of them. But is his 13 goals in 1 playoff enough to vault him into the top 20 forwards in the league? Claude Lemieux and Martin Gelinas were clutch playoff performers too. Look, Mule is a great player and before his streak showed signs of being able to finish. I love Mule, love his size and touch. But the guy has one 20 goal season and has never put up even 40 points in a single season. How does that put him even in the vicinity of the top 20 forwards in the league. People can nitpick my list all they want. Hell, throw out Boyes and Drury and Gomez, and Richards and Stastny and whoever else you want. My list was 35 players long and didn't even include all the top scorers this year. Even if you took 15 players off my list Franzen doesn't crack the top 20 still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen is not in the top 20. He is on the Red Wings, but not in the NHL. That being said, he is my favorite player next to Osgood and he really is a force out there. I don't care how much publicity he gets. The highlights are enough for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 That's your comeback?? Comeback? Seriously arent we both wings fans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Comeback? Seriously arent we both wings fans? Well, you have to admit that your response of 13 goals in 1 playoff series is pretty thin in the context of this debate on whether he's a top 20 forward in the NHL. I asked you as well, is that all you have to go on? Are you saying he's a top 20 forward in the league? If he is, he's the only player in history to crack a top 20 list while amassing a career best 38 point season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Well, you have to admit that your response of 13 goals in 1 playoff series is pretty thin in the context of this debate on whether he's a top 20 forward in the NHL. I asked you as well, is that all you have to go on? Are you saying he's a top 20 forward in the league? If he is, he's the only player in history to crack a top 20 list while amassing a career best 38 point season. no but swedish players tend to be late bloomers. Naslund, Alfredsson, and even Zetterberg started peaking after 25 years of age. alfredsson was 35 last season and had his best season. Nylander had his best season while being 34 years old. Franzen could be the same way, maybe he will play his best hockey from now on. Edited November 18, 2008 by Phazon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 18, 2008 no but swedish players tend to be late bloomers. Naslund, Alfredsson, and even Zetterberg started peaking after 25 years of age. alfredsson was 35 last season and had his best season. Nylander had his best season while being 34 years old. Franzen could be the same way, maybe he will play his best hockey from now on. That's fine and I hope he does. But the OP was asking/stating he was top 20 right now. Obviously, I don't think he's top 20 right now. He doesn't belong in the same conversation with names like Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk, Thornton, Iginla, etc.... He's just not there yet. Let's see him post a 30 goal season and for god's sake dish the puck to somebody and maybe get at least 20 assists. If Mule can bag 50 points he'll start to rise up on my list. But right now he's in the 50-75 range of forwards. Nowhere near the top 20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 That's fine and I hope he does. But the OP was asking/stating he was top 20 right now. Obviously, I don't think he's top 20 right now. He doesn't belong in the same conversation with names like Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk, Thornton, Iginla, etc.... He's just not there yet. Let's see him post a 30 goal season and for god's sake dish the puck to somebody and maybe get at least 20 assists. If Mule can bag 50 points he'll start to rise up on my list. But right now he's in the 50-75 range of forwards. Nowhere near the top 20. I think he is a shoe in for 30-40 goals if he just could stay healthy. That is his problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 I think he is a shoe in for 30-40 goals if he just could stay healthy. That is his problem. Unless his production slips to what it was 9-12 months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Unless his production slips to what it was 9-12 months ago. seriously what happend it's one of the weirdest turnarounds in hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 seriously what happend it's one of the weirdest turnarounds in hockey. More time on the PP and more time with Hank and Dats plus growing confidence with each goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Did anyone catch Franzen totally benefiting from Datsyuk and Zetterberg last night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 19, 2008 He doesn't play with Datsyuk anymore. You gotta pay better attention, The Mule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
