Doggy 130 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 I don't get why everyone is so obsessed by Sid. I think some of you loooooove him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) Crosby is a cheap shotting *****, he does it all the time when they're losing. Slashing, crosschecking, ***** punches, etc. You name it, he does it when the Pens are losing. Edited December 19, 2008 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 The Pens were winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Really? He's been picking fights "all season" after the Pens get scored on. Interesting. he also went apes*** after a goal was disallowed earlier this year and got into a scuffle in a rangers game amoong others that i haven't seen but you know they've happened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 The Pens were winning. haha yeah, and that makes it worse, i agree why are people all over crosby's cock, hes a good player, but a ***** as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idoit40fans 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Why was there even a fight? can syd not be scored on? why would him and orpik start a fight over nothing but a goal, thats weak. ??? Orpik was clearly punching the guy before the puck went into the net. He had just been taken down after someone was hit into him. Thats what caused the fight, but obviously you didn't watch the game so why am I even responding to you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 ??? Orpik was clearly punching the guy before the puck went into the net. He had just been taken down after someone was hit into him. Thats what caused the fight, but obviously you didn't watch the game so why am I even responding to you? well can't orpik stand up for himself, he dosent need syd to come in and enforce for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
germanwing 154 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Hi! it´s me, Sidney! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) The issue here is that two players with gloves on went after a single player. This isn't an "ol' time hockey" argument. Two players squaring off is good stuff. One player decking another player with his gloves on gets a bit cheap. Two players with gloves on beating on a single player is extremely cheap, not to mention the fact that the Third Man in rule means a game misconduct, which I doubt Crosby was assessed since he remained in to heroicly pass the puck to Malkin for an empty-netter which made his 2g 2a night supposedly better than Pav's, thus his 2nd Star on NHL.com. I think many people's point is that its a generally dirty play made by the NHL's meal ticket, so no one hears anything else about it. Was it brought up on LGW because its Crosby? No doubt in my mind. But that doesn't change the fact that its a cheap ass play and if it happened against the Wings, we'd all be wondering why the Golden God of Gary wasn't thrown out. Some of us are still sick of hearing that Crosby is a good captain like Yzerman was when the guy can do no wrong. Edited December 19, 2008 by b.shanafan14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 I agree with you. I am not a huge Sid fan but at the same time we see so many asking for more old hockey. Good or bad that was old hockey! I am starting to wonder if some would get physically sick watching old games or if it is just because it is Sid the Kid... I remember last season I was super excited about Dats whoppin some Roberts ass and he had his gloves on. Not alot of complaints then. It is funny that he is punching him in the nuts!!! Old time hockey is ganging up 2 on 1 and then literally pounding the guy in the ass? I must have missed reading about those games. .... The brawl isn't the joke, Crosby's pansiness and ridiculousness is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Ok, I have to say it is amusing watching Crosby punch a guy in the butthole. Beyond that, whether this is an example of old-time hockey or not, whether it is dirty or not, if that was Maxime Talbot punching the guy in the butthole this thread doesn't exist. Plain and simple, regardless of anything else, we wouldn't waste our typing if this wasn't Crosby. It's a bit ironic that so many of us ***** about how much publicity he gets and then we turn around a new thread about him every chance we get ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 Crosby is probably the most overrated player the NHL has. He's an assist queen. Iginla is a much better captain, Ovechkin is a much better scorer. Datsyuk is a much better with the puck, and defensively. What does Crosby do that makes people consider him the best player today? First and foremost, I'm no big Crosby fan but he is not the most overrated player the NHL has. If you want to know what Crosby has done it is that he is 21 years old (so most people believe he will get much better) and had 102 and 120 points his first two years in the league, had his first 100 point season when he was still a teenager, already "took" his team to the SCF, and in the NHL it doesn't hurt that he's Canadian. Ovechkin is (in my opinion) better than Crosby but he had 106 and 92 points his first two years in the league, is 23 (it is assumed his game has matured more) and the biggest knock against him being the poster boy is that he is Russian and his English isn't that great. The vast majority of the fans are from Canada or the North Eastern USA and a Canadian who can speak well is a better poster boy than a Russian who hasn't mastered English yet (kind of stinks because I think Ovechkin is better but that's the way it goes). As for the other guys you mentioned Dats is much better defensively but that doesn't usually (unless its a big hit) make the highlight reel on ESPN or TSN. Plus again you have the Russian thing, he's 30 years old, and had 35 and 51 points his first two years and has never broken 100 points in a season. Finally, Iginla has kind of been an NHL poster boy in the past (again I think the Canadian thing helps), but he is 31 years old, had 50 and 32 points his first two seasons, and has been in the league 12 (didn't play in 95-96) years and never broken 100 points. Iginla has been in the league 12 years and has 799 points - Crosby has been in the league a little over 3 years and has 340 points. If he stays on pace he will have over 1200 points in the time Iginla has 799 - 50% more. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME I'm not saying I think Sid is better than these guys (personally I would take Pav because of his overall game) because there is much more to the game than those simple stats, but when you are getting your poster boy you want a nice looking, well spoken, flashing, high point producing, young (so you can have him around for another decade at least) guy on a big market team. Like it or not the guy has talent and markets well to casual fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WiNgSowN 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 First and foremost, I'm no big Crosby fan but he is not the most overrated player the NHL has. If you want to know what Crosby has done it is that he is 21 years old (so most people believe he will get much better) and had 102 and 120 points his first two years in the league, had his first 100 point season when he was still a teenager, already "took" his team to the SCF, and in the NHL it doesn't hurt that he's Canadian. Ovechkin is (in my opinion) better than Crosby but he had 106 and 92 points his first two years in the league, is 23 (it is assumed his game has matured more) and the biggest knock against him being the poster boy is that he is Russian and his English isn't that great. The vast majority of the fans are from Canada or the North Eastern USA and a Canadian who can speak well is a better poster boy than a Russian who hasn't mastered English yet (kind of stinks because I think Ovechkin is better but that's the way it goes). As for the other guys you mentioned Dats is much better defensively but that doesn't usually (unless its a big hit) make the highlight reel on ESPN or TSN. Plus again you have the Russian thing, he's 30 years old, and had 35 and 51 points his first two years and has never broken 100 points in a season. Finally, Iginla has kind of been an NHL poster boy in the past (again I think the Canadian thing helps), but he is 31 years old, had 50 and 32 points his first two seasons, and has been in the league 12 (didn't play in 95-96) years and never broken 100 points. Iginla has been in the league 12 years and has 799 points - Crosby has been in the league a little over 3 years and has 340 points. If he stays on pace he will have over 1200 points in the time Iginla has 799 - 50% more. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME I'm not saying I think Sid is better than these guys (personally I would take Pav because of his overall game) because there is much more to the game than those simple stats, but when you are getting your poster boy you want a nice looking, well spoken, flashing, high point producing, young (so you can have him around for another decade at least) guy on a big market team. Like it or not the guy has talent and markets well to casual fans. QFT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 The bum shot! Hahaha, why is he even throwing punches and that part of that guys body? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mac is Back 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) Why is this a big deal exactly? Personally, you never like to see a 2nd guy team up on somebody. I get that. However, I didn't see what lead up to that so I don't know. As for him keeping his gloves on. I think that is actually better than had he dropped them and been throwing bare knuckle punches, no? Anyone remember Tootoo doubling up and landing a solid right to the jaw of Ryan Clowe who was tied up with Hartnell? Of course Clowe then proceeded to kick Tootoo's ass but that's beside the point. Anyone remember Probert drilling the St.Louis player years ago that had beaten up on Stevie Y. That guy was down on the ice with a referee on top of him and Probie landed a bare knuckle haymaker that laid the guy out. That s*** happens all the time in scrums. There aren't enough toes and fingers in the US to count up all the times somebody has thrown glove on punches at a guy who is tied up with another guy already. If this is such a big deal to some folks, I suggest they lose the plug currently residing in their rear orifice. here's the stevie video. Notice stevie AND another Wing bare fisted pounding on Maguire while he's down on the ice. Then Probie comes in. And at the very beginning there are 2 wings ganging up on the guy who hit the goalie and then the goalie throws a haymaking blocker punch at the guy. 3 against 1. Seriously people, anything folks can do to knock on Crosby. Get out more folks. The big deal is that it is crosby, not a goon like tootoo or probert, and don't get me wrong i love probs. If mr.nhl (sarcasm) is supposed to be the face of the nhl, he shouldn't be swinging at people like he's in a school yard fight, especially with his gloves on like a *****. if you want to get in a fight to defend your team, you drop your gloves and make it a fight, not be the thrid man in punching someone that is defenseless in the face (and taint) with the equivilent of boxing gloves on. Sindy Crysby is a whiny Dbag. Edited December 19, 2008 by Mac is Back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted December 19, 2008 This has nothing to do with love of Crosby. Could care less. Some LGWers are just convinced they must post anything negative about him. Are we going to start a thread when a Wing throws a cheap, glove on punch at another player that's being tied up by another Wing? Probably not. We're probably going to cheer for it. This starting threads, even lightly veiled ones aimed merely at ripping on Crosby has gotten so bad it rivals the number of Bring Back Feds threads we've seen in the past. Give it a rest. You claim it's love for Crosby? Who the f*** starts all these goddamned threads about Crosby. It sure as hell ain't the Crosby lovers around here. No, it's the Crosby haters who can't seem to find anything more productive to do with their time. I ask again, why is this a big deal? It's not. Anybody with an ounce of objectivity regarding Crosby and all things rational knows this s*** happens all the time. Players take pot shots at guys who are in the middle of a fracas all the time. People make a big deal out of it b/c it's Crosby. So the f*** what. This isn't about old time hockey or anything else. What transpired there is something that has always happened in hockey, still happens in hockey and will always happen in hockey. If you are pissed off about something or at somebody you are going to go after them in a scrum whether they are tied up with somebody or not. It's not like Valabik and Orpik were at center ice trading punches and Sid jumped him from behind. This is much ado about nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) Ok, I have to say it is amusing watching Crosby punch a guy in the butthole. Beyond that, whether this is an example of old-time hockey or not, whether it is dirty or not, if that was Maxime Talbot punching the guy in the butthole this thread doesn't exist. Plain and simple, regardless of anything else, we wouldn't waste our typing if this wasn't Crosby. It's a bit ironic that so many of us ***** about how much publicity he gets and then we turn around a new thread about him every chance we get ... Ain't that the truth. If stalking Sydney Crosby was an acutal paying job, many LGWers would be rich. It wouldn't surprise me over the next few months if I see a thread that says "Newsflash: Just like every other person in this country, Sidney Crosby complains about things every now and then. And, like all other males, he puts on his pants one leg at a time!" I'm indifferent on Crosby, neither love him or hate him. The amount of attention he gets from media doesn't bother me whatosever, I either think they are good stories or just tune them out. But the amount of attention people give him, at least in here, for the most mundane things in a negative fashion like whining or walking down the street or chewing bubble gum at 12:53pm on October 18th gets to be absurd sometimes when everybody else and their 10-year old nephew does the same thing. Again, I'm no Sid Slappie, I don't think he needs to be with protective rubber gloves or like a lost puppy dog, but the amount of attention he gets for the most miniscule things or 1000 ways to talk negative about somebody is just as much as the normal mainstream media attention he gets, or worse. Edited December 19, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 19, 2008 This has nothing to do with love of Crosby. Could care less. Some LGWers are just convinced they must post anything negative about him. Are we going to start a thread when a Wing throws a cheap, glove on punch at another player that's being tied up by another Wing? Probably not. We're probably going to cheer for it. This starting threads, even lightly veiled ones aimed merely at ripping on Crosby has gotten so bad it rivals the number of Bring Back Feds threads we've seen in the past. Give it a rest. You claim it's love for Crosby? Who the f*** starts all these goddamned threads about Crosby. It sure as hell ain't the Crosby lovers around here. No, it's the Crosby haters who can't seem to find anything more productive to do with their time. I ask again, why is this a big deal? It's not. Anybody with an ounce of objectivity regarding Crosby and all things rational knows this s*** happens all the time. Players take pot shots at guys who are in the middle of a fracas all the time. People make a big deal out of it b/c it's Crosby. So the f*** what. This isn't about old time hockey or anything else. What transpired there is something that has always happened in hockey, still happens in hockey and will always happen in hockey. If you are pissed off about something or at somebody you are going to go after them in a scrum whether they are tied up with somebody or not. It's not like Valabik and Orpik were at center ice trading punches and Sid jumped him from behind. This is much ado about nothing. Have to agree entirely. I'd never start a topic praising him, because his scoring and talent speaks for itself. However, the bashing of him really is about some fad and nothing more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 The big deal is that it is crosby, not a goon like tootoo or probert, and don't get me wrong i love probs. If mr.nhl (sarcasm) is supposed to be the face of the nhl, he shouldn't be swinging at people like he's in a school yard fight, especially with his gloves on like a *****. Of course, if "Mr. NHL" didn't get involved and instead skated over to the bench like a good little boy you would be starting a thread about how Crosby is a ***** who won't fight and is too concerned about being the "face of the NHL" to actually stick up for his teammates ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted December 19, 2008 The big deal is that it is crosby, not a goon like tootoo or probert, and don't get me wrong i love probs. If mr.nhl (sarcasm) is supposed to be the face of the nhl, he shouldn't be swinging at people like he's in a school yard fight, especially with his gloves on like a *****. if you want to get in a fight to defend your team, you drop your gloves and make it a fight, not be the thrid man in punching someone that is defenseless in the face (and taint) with the equivilent of boxing gloves on. Sindy Crysby is a whiny Dbag. And THAT'S exactly my problem with this. But before I say anything else, a disclaimer: I don't like Crosby. I don't like all the hype. I don't like the pouty face he makes when he doesn't get his way. I don't like his diving like he was shot out of a cannon. I don't like his attitude on the ice that he deserves special treatment from the refs. I admit all of that. So take what I say below with that in mind. Crosby's supposed to be THE face of the NHL. He's the golden boy. Does s*** like this happen in the league every single night? Of course. But the goddamn poster boy for the league doing this? You know, the player who's supposed to single-handedly "save the league"? He's not supposed to be out there cheap-shotting guys. Pronger can do it all he wants (or so Colin Campbell says) but you know what? PRONGER'S NOT THE FACE OF THE LEAGUE. It's not "old time hockey" in this case, it just adds to Sid's "not quite as advertised" image. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2008 As far as im concerned no other player whines to the refs as much as sidney crosby plain and simple, just watch a pens game, they always have it isoed on him, and hes always bitcvhing about something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted December 20, 2008 Of course, if "Mr. NHL" didn't get involved and instead skated over to the bench like a good little boy you would be starting a thread about how Crosby is a ***** who won't fight and is too concerned about being the "face of the NHL" to actually stick up for his teammates ... Its one extreme to another. You can pair up and keep the scrum from building, or if he really wanted to he could have dropped the gloves with someone else if he really has that big of a chip on his shoulder. The point is he didn't, he was the third man in with gloves on. Yes it was brought up cause it was Crosby and the NHL puts him on a pedestal, but that doesn't dismiss the fact the it wasn't an even manned, gloves down fight. It was Vlasik getting drilled by Orpik with gloved hands followed by "captain" Sid Crosby getting his ass-shots in on a guy who was already on the receiving end, classic third man in which calls for a game misconduct, but it didn't result it that, just an extra roughing. I know I get pissed if/when a Red Wing gets jumped by two players, so why not be pissed for the Thrash, especially when its someone like Crosby who is supposed to be THE ambassador to the NHL. Why can we watch commercial after commercial with Sid as the second coming, but we can't point out the guys flaws. Yes "the guy is human, the guy puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else, etc" so why can't he be flamed for a Tootooesque cheap shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted December 20, 2008 As far as im concerned no other player whines to the refs as much as sidney crosby plain and simple, just watch a pens game, they always have it isoed on him, and hes always bitcvhing about something Who cares? Again, if it were Maxime Talbot doing the bitching, you wouldn't be talking about it. Your complaint isn't about WHAT was done, you're only making an issue out of it because of WHO's doing it. I understand he's supposed to be the new face of the NHL, but that isn't his fault, and while it makes him an easy target for these kinds of attacks it doesn't justify them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted December 20, 2008 I know I get pissed if/when a Red Wing gets jumped by two players, so why not be pissed for the Thrash, especially when its someone like Crosby who is supposed to be THE ambassador to the NHL. Why can we watch commercial after commercial with Sid as the second coming, but we can't point out the guys flaws. Yes "the guy is human, the guy puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else, etc" so why can't he be flamed for a Tootooesque cheap shot? He can. I have no problem with legitimate criticism of Crosby, I really don't care for the guy, but most of these posts aren't expressing outrage at Crosby's actions, they're just bashing him. Again, I find it ironic that people spend so much time talking about a guy when the main complaint about him is how much publicity he gets ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted December 20, 2008 Its one extreme to another. You can pair up and keep the scrum from building, or if he really wanted to he could have dropped the gloves with someone else if he really has that big of a chip on his shoulder. The point is he didn't, he was the third man in with gloves on. Yes it was brought up cause it was Crosby and the NHL puts him on a pedestal, but that doesn't dismiss the fact the it wasn't an even manned, gloves down fight. It was Vlasik getting drilled by Orpik with gloved hands followed by "captain" Sid Crosby getting his ass-shots in on a guy who was already on the receiving end, classic third man in which calls for a game misconduct, but it didn't result it that, just an extra roughing. I know I get pissed if/when a Red Wing gets jumped by two players, so why not be pissed for the Thrash, especially when its someone like Crosby who is supposed to be THE ambassador to the NHL. Why can we watch commercial after commercial with Sid as the second coming, but we can't point out the guys flaws. Yes "the guy is human, the guy puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else, etc" so why can't he be flamed for a Tootooesque cheap shot? Sure, get pissed. I have no problem with anybody who thinks being a third man in is a ***** move. I totally agree. But given the amount of scrums we have every goddamned game and the number of glove on shots players give each other in these scrums, do we really fackin' need a thread started about it? No, we don't. We don't start one for every other player in the league. This thread was started b/c some LGWers have a hard on for Crosby plain and simple. And I don't buy the "face of the NHL" shouldn't do that. Since when has there EVER, EVER been a hockey player who didn't do something on the ice out of anger. Anyone recall the vicious elbow Pavel Bure threw on Shane Churla? You wanna get POed about a superstar throwing a cheapshot! Look it up on youtube and it'll make what sid did look like a kiss on the cheek. No, this thread is just another thinly veiled attempt to bag on Crosby b/c some LGWers are obsessed with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites