b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Was roaming around the NHL section of ESPN.com, on the side in Headlines column reads Rumors: Hossa's future in Hockeytown http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/features/ru...atures%2frumors Link leads to dated entries, with the title "Holland pursues talks with key free agents" on todays date (March 19). Unfortunately, they require ESPN Insider membership to view the article, like the nazis they are. Can anyone give us an insight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Probably something similar to this: http://www.freep.com/article/20090319/SPOR...or+Marian+Hossa By next week, general manager Ken Holland should have a clearer picture of what it will take to keep Marian Hossa with the Red Wings. Advertisement Holland plans to meet with Hossa's agent, Ritch Winter, during next week's trip to western Canada. Holland is talking to the camps for Hossa and Johan Franzen, the Wings' two biggest free agents headed into summer. "Given the uncertainty of the economy, I'm moving slow," Holland said Wednesday. "But it's not only the economy. It's about team building, it's about our philosophy. We can keep Franzen and Hossa, but then we'll have to let a whole lot of other players go. I don't know if that's the answer to being competitive. But if I can get a number that I think allows us to have one extra player, you start to think more and more about doing something. Right now, I'm not really close to where I'd like to get to with either side." The Wings already have about $48 million committed toward next season. The salary cap, $56.7 million this season, is expected to stay in the same ballpark. But that's a gray area because if the Wings operate on the belief it'll rise to $58 million, only to find out the cap will be static, becoming compliant could prove cumbersome. Holland has been talking to Hossa's camp since January and to Franzen's for a bit longer, but he won't extend negotiations for either past the start of the playoffs. "I'd like to have one of them signed by mid-April, but I'm not worried if I don't," Holland said. "I'd rather have no deal than a bad deal. It's all about what direction do we want to go. I'd love to keep this team together. I like the mix of veterans and kids, but we're in a cap world, and we've made some decisions that affect future decisions." Hossa is making $7.4 million this season, and Franzen is just under $1 million. The Wings have around $9 million in current-cap space left, and though they'll likely move players this summer to create a bit more room, they're not looking to trade any core players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) It just links to a Free Press article and says that Holland will be talking to Franzen and Hossa's agents in the coming days. http://www.freep.com/article/20090319/SPOR...ce%20of%20Hossa Edited March 19, 2009 by CenterIce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) So.. ESPN makes people subscribe for s*** they could read elsewhere? Good plan. Very insider. Edited March 19, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Thanks, was checking MLive, but they had no info, thanks for clearing it up. Yeah, ESPN is awesome, selling other sources info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Holland is like the Godfather. He will get the deals he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 So.. ESPN makes people subscribe for s*** they could read elsewhere? Good plan. Very insider. You are correct, sir. I got it free with an ESPN the Magazine subscription. Otherwise, I never would have got it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged_Wheeler 3 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Keep Franzen and Hossa and let Sammy and Huds go....I know, I know that they're good players, but we have some guys in the minors who can't wait to get up here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadaBoy 151 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Per mlive: Contract talks slow Holland has met several times lately with the agent for Johan Franzen and plans to meet again next week with Marian Hossa's agent. But he is not close to finalizing deals. "I'm prepared to move slowly," Holland said. "They're important players, but I'm only prepared to do something if it makes good business sense." He said if no deal is in place with either player in early April, he will readdress the situation after the playoffs. "We can keep both, but (if they do), we're going to lose a lot of players," Holland said. "I'm moving slowly because they're big decisions for us and for the players. If there's a fit, beautiful. If not, sometimes you got to head in different directions." http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20..._wing.html#more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 I'm confident Kenny will do what is right for the Wings. No need to rush in to a contract with either player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 So.. ESPN makes people subscribe for s*** they could read elsewhere? Good plan. Very insider. If you look online, you can find ESPN The Magazine Subscriptions for one year for $3.50 or so. I got a 5 year sub for $10 on a deal that I found. That includes your ESPN Insider subscription as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Probably something similar to this: http://www.freep.com/article/20090319/SPOR...or+Marian+Hossa By next week, general manager Ken Holland should have a clearer picture of what it will take to keep Marian Hossa with the Red Wings. Advertisement Holland plans to meet with Hossa's agent, Ritch Winter, during next week's trip to western Canada. Holland is talking to the camps for Hossa and Johan Franzen, the Wings' two biggest free agents headed into summer. "Given the uncertainty of the economy, I'm moving slow," Holland said Wednesday. "But it's not only the economy. It's about team building, it's about our philosophy. We can keep Franzen and Hossa, but then we'll have to let a whole lot of other players go. I don't know if that's the answer to being competitive. But if I can get a number that I think allows us to have one extra player, you start to think more and more about doing something. Right now, I'm not really close to where I'd like to get to with either side." The Wings already have about $48 million committed toward next season. The salary cap, $56.7 million this season, is expected to stay in the same ballpark. But that's a gray area because if the Wings operate on the belief it'll rise to $58 million, only to find out the cap will be static, becoming compliant could prove cumbersome. Holland has been talking to Hossa's camp since January and to Franzen's for a bit longer, but he won't extend negotiations for either past the start of the playoffs. "I'd like to have one of them signed by mid-April, but I'm not worried if I don't," Holland said. "I'd rather have no deal than a bad deal. It's all about what direction do we want to go. I'd love to keep this team together. I like the mix of veterans and kids, but we're in a cap world, and we've made some decisions that affect future decisions." Hossa is making $7.4 million this season, and Franzen is just under $1 million. The Wings have around $9 million in current-cap space left, and though they'll likely move players this summer to create a bit more room, they're not looking to trade any core players. Help me here....Is he saying if either of them still hasn't signed by that time, they will move on, whether they want to or not? Thenk yew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 19, 2009 Help me here....Is he saying if either of them still hasn't signed by that time, they will move on, whether they want to or not? Thenk yew. No, he's just doing what he normally does, which is no contract discussion in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 No, he's just doing what he normally does, which is no contract discussion in the playoffs. Whew! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 I think Hossa's signing is in the bag. He was threatening to finish top-three in goalscoring leaguewide... before missing all those games with a "stiff neck". something tells me he (and his agent) aren't terribly worried about his personal stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 For both to remain a Red Wing, they can only sign one before July 1st, so whoever signs first more than likely will get the better deal. The other would have to sign after free agency begins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted March 19, 2009 If anyone can work magic, Kenny can. Yes, Kenny Can! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I saw this article today and I haven't seen it posted anywhere else. Pretty much the same old stuff, but it makes me really respect Holland. He is a great GM for not just rushing into decisions. http://www.freep.com/article/20090319/SPOR...03190439/?imw=Y Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Definitely liking that there's no rush. But only 9 million in cap space kinda feels iffy, I leave it up to you Kenny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Thread exists: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56398 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 Really? This part of the new CBA? Nope. Just what Holland has been quoted as saying since he doesn't know what the cap will be for next year. If it goes down too much, he could be in a world of hurt if he signs both under the assumption that it won't go down too much, which is what they're projecting. Just playing it safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzermania 156 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Nope. Just what Holland has been quoted as saying since he doesn't know what the cap will be for next year. If it goes down too much, he could be in a world of hurt if he signs both under the assumption that it won't go down too much, which is what they're projecting. Just playing it safe. no, it's part of the cba i think. I don't know the exact details, but it is called a "Tagging rule", somehting to do with the amount of money tied up for the following season...Holland has talked about it a few times. Edited March 20, 2009 by Yzermania Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) no, it's part of the cba i think. I don't know the exact details, but it is called a "Tagging rule", somehting to do with the amount of money tied up for the following season...Holland has talked about it a few times. I have heard of the tagging rule, but never really understood its applications. Thanks for bringing this up. Anyone out there who would be willing to explain it for me? I learn so much here. I appreciate it a lot. Edited March 20, 2009 by 55fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted March 20, 2009 I have heard of the tagging rule, but never really understood its applications. Thanks for bringing this up. Anyone out there who would be willing to explain it for me? I learn so much here. I appreciate it a lot. http://www.nhlscap.com/tagging_rule.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted March 21, 2009 http://www.nhlscap.com/tagging_rule.htm Thanks for posting that. I'm still murky, but that's my own inability to do numbers. I did bookmark the site, so perhaps I'll check it out another day. It looks like a good resource. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
