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WCF GAME 3 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 4 (OT)

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It took the Hawks all season (against you guys) and 14 games of playoff hockey to realize they HAVE to put pressure on the puck instead of letting teams gain entry to the zone without any resistance. The Hawks had several chances to beat the Wings during the regular season, but couldn't hold leads because they would NOT pressure the puck and get aggressive on the forecheck. The result were several high percentage scoring chances as your elite players had room to maneuver and open passing lanes in the offensive zone. If anybody plays you guys they way we did until game 2 of this series their going to get beat more often than not. Your team is just that talented.

The crux of the 'Hawks potential success relies on pressuring the puck, eliminating TOs, having clean line-changes, and avoiding Detroit's ability to creat oddman rushes. In game 2 they did a much better job of pressuring the puck (in 5 on 5 but I'd still like them to pressure more on the power play as well), and the result was a well contested game that the Hawks lost on a mindnumbing TO. In front of the home crowd, they did a great job in all 4 facets aside from the last 7 minutes of the 2nd period (this team has a propensity to stand around after goals, thus giving them up in bunches). If the Hawks keep this up they definately have a chance to win this series.

It should be a great series from here on out as both teams are immensely talented. Hopefully Datsyuk will be able to play for you guys, as will Havlat and Khabby for us. As a fan I'd hate to see us deprived of seeing the best players on the ice. If only Kronwall had leveled Matt Walker instead. He would have done us a favor.

And one more thing; here's to seeing a game where neither team has more than 3 PP chances. I'm sick and tired of both sides bitching about the referrees and the bothced calls, non-calls, or favoritism perceived to exist toward either team. It's got beyond tolerable.

Doesn't this for all hockey games? Reduce turnovers and keep pressure on the puck? Come on...

The calls were in favor of the Hawks last night, calls that were made should not of been called and calls that should of been made were missed.

I have not said much about the reffing throughout the entire playoffs, including the goal that was called off during the Wings-Ducks series. Actually, I caught s*** from a few members here while sitting at a bar while watching the game together. I stated the ref lost site of the puck and blew the whistle, it was the right call, but I reinforced that comment stating the ref should of been in better position to watch the puck.

Game #3 is a different animal... The reffing in that game was ******* sickening and disgraceful.

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Doesn't this for all hockey games? Reduce turnovers and keep pressure on the puck? Come on...

The calls were in favor of the Hawks last night, calls that were made should not of been called and calls that should of been made were missed.

I have not said much about the reffing throughout the entire playoffs, including the goal that was called off during the Wings-Ducks series. Actually, I caught s*** from a few members here while sitting at a bar while watching the game together. I stated the ref lost site of the puck and blew the whistle, it was the right call, but I reinforced that comment stating the ref should of been in better position to watch the puck.

Game #3 is a different animal... The reffing in that game was ******* sickening and disgraceful.

Hey, I didnt' think the Kronwall major was the right call, though I do see how the refs could have called it. I think a minor would have been the befitting call.

Don't forget the Wings were the beneficiaries of some borderline/bad calls in the second in an obvious makeup attempt from the first. But why ***** about it? I don't think the reffing has been very good all series, but its up to the players to play a smarter brand of hockey if they want to stay out of the penalty box. Fact is your team should have done more if they wanted to win just as the Hawks should have in games 1 and 2.

If the games close enough so that either team can have a game determined by the referees they really aren't playing well enough in the first place. The Hawks especially.

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Hey, I didnt' think the Kronwall major was the right call, though I do see how the refs could have called it. I think a minor would have been the befitting call.

Don't forget the Wings were the beneficiaries of some borderline/bad calls in the second in an obvious makeup attempt from the first. But why ***** about it? I don't think the reffing has been very good all series, but its up to the players to play a smarter brand of hockey if they want to stay out of the penalty box. Fact is your team should have done more if they wanted to win just as the Hawks should have in games 1 and 2.

Stuart received stitches from a high stick, the call was missed. Automatic 4 minute penalty... A 4 minute penalty can change the outcome of a game.

More zebras were added to the game years back to catch more missed calls or that is what they tell us...

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I'm a Blackhawk fan, but I don't even have to be a homer to say this post is ridiculously false.

As a matter of fact the Blackhawks match up with the Wings as well as anybody when comparing individual talent. The Wings have all the great players you mentioned, while the Hawks have Kane, Toews, Havlat, Sharp, Versteep, Bolland, Ladd, Keith, Seabrook, etc. The reality is both teams have a lot of depth throughout their lineup; I will concede this however: you guys have more depth across your blue line.

It took the Hawks all season (against you guys) and 14 games of playoff hockey to realize they HAVE to put pressure on the puck instead of letting teams gain entry to the zone without any resistance. The Hawks had several chances to beat the Wings during the regular season, but couldn't hold leads because they would NOT pressure the puck and get aggressive on the forecheck. The result were several high percentage scoring chances as your elite players had room to maneuver and open passing lanes in the offensive zone. If anybody plays you guys they way we did until game 2 of this series their going to get beat more often than not. Your team is just that talented.

The crux of the 'Hawks potential success relies on pressuring the puck, eliminating TOs, having clean line-changes, and avoiding Detroit's ability to creat oddman rushes. In game 2 they did a much better job of pressuring the puck (in 5 on 5 but I'd still like them to pressure more on the power play as well), and the result was a well contested game that the Hawks lost on a mindnumbing TO. In front of the home crowd, they did a great job in all 4 facets aside from the last 7 minutes of the 2nd period (this team has a propensity to stand around after goals, thus giving them up in bunches). If the Hawks keep this up they definately have a chance to win this series.

You were absolutley right on one front however; you guys are NOT the Canucks or the Flames. If we play the rest of this series like we did against those teams the series will be over in 5 games. But as a Hawk fan I am optimistic as we are finally starting to do the things I've been waiting for all season. That at least gives us a chance.

It should be a great series from here on out as both teams are immensely talented. Hopefully Datsyuk will be able to play for you guys, as will Havlat and Khabby for us. As a fan I'd hate to see us deprived of seeing the best players on the ice. If only Kronwall had leveled Matt Walker instead. He would have done us a favor.

And one more thing; here's to seeing a game where neither team has more than 3 PP chances. I'm sick and tired of both sides bitching about the referrees and the bothced calls, non-calls, or favoritism perceived to exist toward either team. It's got beyond tolerable.

I really don't think my post was that far off the mark, if at all. When you compare the individual talent of the Wings & the Hawks, the Wings trump the Hawks in almost every manner. Kane & Toews are Chicago's big guns. Other than that, the players you've mentioned - while they're GOOD players, they don't compare to the caliber of players Detroit has on their second, third, and in some cases - fourth line. I would go so far as to compare Kane & Toews to possibly Zetterberg and Datsyuk in so much as they carry the team with that extra burst of talent to trump everyone else in the game. However, taking out those four (Toews, Kane, Datsyuk, Zetterberg).. who do you have to match Johan Franzen? Who do you have to match Marian Hossa? How about Jiri Hudler or even Dan Cleary? The Wings have players throughout their roster that would easily make first liners on other teams.. and I stand by my statement that the talent is nowhere near matched between these two in that regard. We've got Lidstrom, easily one of the best defenseman to ever play the game. Brain Rafalski, who'd be a top defenseman even on the Hawks. Byfuglien is turning himself into quite the goaltender annoyance - but Holmstrom has made his entire career out of doing that. My point really is this: The players on the Hawks are like shadows of the players on the Wings. You've got great players, we've got better players.

As far as realizing that pressure must be put on the puck before entering the zone, that is true of every team under every circumstance. The difference maker is that the Wings pick up on those mistake and capitalize on them far better than most teams in the league. When it comes right down to it, Chicago makes some incredibly amateur mistakes because that's exactly what kind of a team they are.. inexperienced on the playoff front. I didn't expect any differently going into this series and I haven't been led to think otherwise. Now, I'm not saying the Wings are a perfect team. Lord knows they have their fair share of struggles.. but when it comes to turnovers leading to break-away opportunities.. the Hawks have yet to find that kink and work it out. They've done better, I'll give them that.. but they still make those rookie mistakes that Calgary & Vancouver didn't pick up on that well.

I don't expect you to agree with me. You're a Hawks fan. Of course you're confident in your team. If you would've spoken to be during the Anaheim series, you would've noticed something vastly different. I was nervous during that series. My stomach was in knots after each loss. After yesterday's? Nothing. Complete serenity. Why? Because I truly believe that our talent and depth outranks the Hawks on many many levels. Maybe that makes me a homer. Maybe it means I'm wearing red-tinted glasses. But the fact remains that while Chicago may give us a nice run for our money, we're still the better experienced and equipped team to make it through these playoffs. The Wings are good at finding a ***** in the armor and battling it down to nothing. The Hawks could switch their game up on them numerous times, and the Wings would still find a way to get in there and beat them. That's what they're good at.. winning.

I'm sure this'll be an exciting series even though we disagree on a few things. I, like you, hate seeing great players taken out of the game. Kronwall's hit was unfortunate that it hurt Havlat (not a penalty in my opinion, but what can you do?) but that's playoff hockey. I've never been one to complain about the reffing, though. It seems to be the first scapegoat for anybody who is the fan of a losing team. I just consider horrible officiating part of hockey. It happens to every team and I'm sure the Hawks have received their fair share through their playoff run too.

Edited by Ms_Hockey

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Didn't get a chance to see the game, kinda glad too from what I've heard about it other than the Kronwall hit. But, while at Cedar Point with 5 other friends we did get a "LETS GO RED WINGS" chant going in both the Millenium Force and Top Thrill Dragster lines, at least 50-70 people in both lines started yelling it. :P This was right when Detroit started comming back (all I got were text score updates, nothing about the amount of penalties or Kronwall getting the boot). Needless to say that was pretty awesome, especially since there was a guy in a Crosby T-shirt that looked very uncomfortable haha.

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Post of the day! :rolleyes:

If you really think these teams are evenly matched, I'm going to start laughing. There's not a single player on the Blackhawks who is better than a player on the Red Wings. The Red Wings have more depth than the Hawks could even hope for. The Hawks can't defend against the Wings because they don't know who to be covering. You don't have enough guys to cover Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Lidstrom, Samuelsson, Filpulla, Hudler, Hossa, and the list goes on and on.

The Hawks are failing on two fronts. First, Detroit isn't Calgary or Vancouver. You make turnovers and give the puck away, and Detroit is going to continue to capitalize on those mistake until they make you pay. And frankly, Chicago being such a young team - they've been making A LOT of those mistakes. Second, we have the most offensive depth of almost any team. You can cover all of our big name guys.. but we'll still have someone on the third or fourth line who's perfectly capable of scoring. And then you'll be stuck running around trying to find something to do to cover THOSE guys.

Face the facts, man. Detroit is more experienced, much deeper, and better suited for the playoffs than the Hawks are at this time. It doesn't matter what you do.. the Wings are capable of finding a way around it - and they don't ever let the opposing team get into their heads. They're experienced enough to know not to get rattled.. so they don't. They stay calm and they keep playing their game.

I don't feel remotely threatened by the Hawks. Why? Because this is nowhere near an even matchup. Anaheim was an even matchup. The Hawks are just getting schooled. So you go on and continue making fun of the city. We'll go on and continue lifting Stanley Cups over our heads.

This statement is a bit over the top. Are you telling me that Toews or Kane are not better than Abdelkader? Or Brett Lebda is better than any one of their D-men. I agree with most everything else you said but this is a bit of an exaggeration.

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Hey, I didnt' think the Kronwall major was the right call, though I do see how the refs could have called it. I think a minor would have been the befitting call.

Don't forget the Wings were the beneficiaries of some borderline/bad calls in the second in an obvious makeup attempt from the first. But why ***** about it? I don't think the reffing has been very good all series, but its up to the players to play a smarter brand of hockey if they want to stay out of the penalty box. Fact is your team should have done more if they wanted to win just as the Hawks should have in games 1 and 2.

If the games close enough so that either team can have a game determined by the referees they really aren't playing well enough in the first place. The Hawks especially.

What a nice, simple explanation for why we lost, the heck with the Hawks. YOU try playing with heart and energy after playing 12 minutes on penalty kill and not being able to play all your lines and losing a defenseman at the same time. More to the point, I have no doubt the Hawks would have been nuked under the same circumstances and therein lies one of the major differences between the two teams.

Which reminds me...I have a question about the 4-minute penalty to Cleary. Can any Wings' fan here tell me why it was a four-minute call? There was no blood and I don't think any of the other requirements for a call like that. What was the logic behind it, if any?

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Linesman should not have the ability to throw a game. One of these days the NHL will realize that if they want to compete with the NFL, NBA and MLB they're going to have to develop some sort of consistent officiating practices.

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What a nice, simple explanation for why we lost, the heck with the Hawks. YOU try playing with heart and energy after playing 12 minutes on penalty kill and not being able to play all your lines and losing a defenseman at the same time. More to the point, I have no doubt the Hawks would have been nuked under the same circumstances and therein lies one of the major differences between the two teams.

Which reminds me...I have a question about the 4-minute penalty to Cleary. Can any Wings' fan here tell me why it was a four-minute call? There was no blood and I don't think any of the other requirements for a call like that. What was the logic behind it, if any?

When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.
I believe Cleary gave the guy a black eye.

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When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.

That's all that needed to be said right there.

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This statement is a bit over the top. Are you telling me that Toews or Kane are not better than Abdelkader? Or Brett Lebda is better than any one of their D-men. I agree with most everything else you said but this is a bit of an exaggeration.

Yes, I exaggerated.. but I think my point got across.

I think.... :ph34r:

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