Probie 7 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 I don't think Sundin provides anything the Wings lack. He's a steady veteran leader that wins faceoffs and isn't physical. I'd pass on him at basically any price. Yes, but what about the roster changes that happen soon? I agree i want to get bigger grittier and younger, but what about the players we lose? Sammy rejected our offer, Hossa is most likely going to be gone, and as far as I'm concerned Homer is done, he wont put up the numbers on a line with D and Z like he did in 07-08. Hudler is along for the ride, he is limited but is good on the pp. We lose 3 scoring forwards and it hurts our depth. Depth is what makes us so good. Lieno might be able to put up some good numbers next year, maybe he cant make it? Helm and Gator wont put up scoring numbers yet either although I love them as players. You've lost an entire line of scoring, and it hurts. I'm not saying Sundin solves our problems but he helps depth. We could still bring in somegrit and size, like Chris Neil and encourage a couple of older guys to retire, while keeping sundin. It helps our scoring depth and it would only be for a year if he signed. He could focus all his energy for a cup run before father time says its time to go. Look at drake, he had a million miles on the odometer and sucked it up for one last push, and so could Sundin. Sundin is not a perimeter player either, he can hang in front of the net, something we need. I'm not saying hes the key or anything, but it COULD be a OPTION to help patch up Depth if some of the players I mentioned left-in addition to adding a guy like Neil or some other physical player that we need to throw in the mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Local boy David Booth 24yrs. RFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Probie 7 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Local boy David Booth 24yrs. RFA If we signed him, they would likely match our offer dont you think? I like him though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 If we signed him, they would likely match our offer dont you think? I like him though.... Yeah no kidding, they are way under the cap. Also I forgot the price for RFAs it's like 2 1st rounders. Ouch! I might as well delete my last two posts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Yes, but what about the roster changes that happen soon? I agree i want to get bigger grittier and younger, but what about the players we lose? Sammy rejected our offer, Hossa is most likely going to be gone, and as far as I'm concerned Homer is done, he wont put up the numbers on a line with D and Z like he did in 07-08. Hudler is along for the ride, he is limited but is good on the pp. We lose 3 scoring forwards and it hurts our depth. Depth is what makes us so good. Lieno might be able to put up some good numbers next year, maybe he cant make it? Helm and Gator wont put up scoring numbers yet either although I love them as players. You've lost an entire line of scoring, and it hurts. I'm not saying Sundin solves our problems but he helps depth. We could still bring in somegrit and size, like Chris Neil and encourage a couple of older guys to retire, while keeping sundin. It helps our scoring depth and it would only be for a year if he signed. He could focus all his energy for a cup run before father time says its time to go. Look at drake, he had a million miles on the odometer and sucked it up for one last push, and so could Sundin. Sundin is not a perimeter player either, he can hang in front of the net, something we need. I'm not saying hes the key or anything, but it COULD be a OPTION to help patch up Depth if some of the players I mentioned left-in addition to adding a guy like Neil or some other physical player that we need to throw in the mix. We don't need to add an aging past him prime former star to solidify our depth..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 We don't need to add an aging past him prime former star to solidify our depth..... But Dallas Drake won us the Cup on '08... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladiator 116 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Sundin may be a remote possibility if Hossa won't sign for something reasonable. Highly doubt Hossa or a Sundin signing. Just too many players in the system waiting to move up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Meh, we can do without him. Did anyone hear anything more of those rumors that Sundin didn't want to come here last year? It just seemed like wild speculation at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Probie 7 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 We don't need to add an aging past him prime former star to solidify our depth..... I understand the point, and i only said it would be for a year if he took a discount. Here is a serious question: Scenario one: Homer retires, hossa leaves, sammy leaves, hudler sign an offer sheet, or gets traded cause he wants too much. Just a scenario. You lose 4 scoring players and repalce them with whom? Thats losing more then one scoring line. Lieno COULD be ONE replacement. Babs is leaning towards Gator spending another year in GR unless he does great in camp. Look at the roster, even including Meech as full time forward and Gator, the lines are sad: Z-D-Cleary Franzen-Flip-Lieno(the rookie on the 2nd scoring line) Helm-Draper-maltby meech-Kopecky-(Abdelkader) I cant even add the last player from our system to the 3rd spot on the fourth line above without signing someone or unless Babs is wrong and Abs is UP for the year, which is what I would like-i have added Abs as our last player on the line. The third and forth lines are garbage. You cant score with either of those lines. And who is the reserve forward? Rittola and the other kids are not ready. You have to sign someone under the scenario above. They are not going to score s***,and forget about winng a stanley cup. You have to sign someone under that scenario. Whom do you sign? I merely said Sundin was an option for a year, no longer, that being at a reduced salary. With a training camp he can be in good shape and have gas in the tank, which is why he didnt fair so well in Vancouver, I watched many of the Vancouver games. His performance last year was all about Conditioning and a bit of rust. I still think he can put up atleast 60 points next year, and do well on the PP, which is fine at a reduced contract. Subtract one the scrubs, like Maltby or Meech, and insert Sundin into his place, and it seems a little better. That being said, hopefully the scenario I described above is not one we are going to experience. Hopefully we can keep hudler atleast, and only lose Sammy and Hossa, and maybe Homer to retirement(even if he doesnt hes nothing but a fourth line guy at this point cause hes too slow). in this Scenario, it looks like this: Z-D-Cleary Franzen-Flip-Lieno Helm-Abdelkader-Hudler Meech-Kopecky-Draper Maltby as the 13th forward. Not great but I could live with it for a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Flip-Hossa Helm-Leino-Kopecky (face it, the Useless one is here to stay for a while) Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom (that fourth line is going to be brutal during the regular season) Abdelkader Am I forgetting anyone? All in all, those lines are't bad except for the fourth line, but that line would get an infusion with Abdelkader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Flip-Hossa Helm-Leino-Kopecky (face it, the Useless one is here to stay for a while) Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom (that fourth line is going to be brutal during the regular season) Abdelkader Am I forgetting anyone? All in all, those lines are't bad except for the fourth line, but that line would get an infusion with Abdelkader. I'd be open to getting rid of Kopecky. He's never going to get sufficient playing time here, he's far too injury prone, and I think he could do better elsewhere with more playing time. It can't be more than a million dollars that it would free up (right?), but every bit would help. Edited June 23, 2009 by Hockeytown0001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
