Holland: Defense is set, waiting for cap figure

[Doc Holiday 0]

Exactly, thats what Ive been saying to folks on this forum for a while now. Dats Z and Hossa, six years from now are going to be like 35-36 and cant be traded, and what do we do if we have other gems that need signing. Its a recipe for failure. We have too many softies on the team already, we need some bigger dudes that can still play the game well but get their nose dirty, work the corners well, and still score. Hossa doesnt fit, this is a bad move. What happens next year when Nash is a FA? Id take him over Hossa any day, the dude wont be 26 yet. Lock up a younger guy to one of those long contracts and dont stick 15 years of no trade clause years into his contract in case he might need to be removed down the road.

You honestly think Nash is leaving the Jackets?

You are out of your mind.

And Zett and Franzen don't have NTCs.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Its the D that burned us, imho. They barely handled Getzlaf in the Anaheim series and made the Pens look dangerous on practically every single rush. The Wings definitely must get tougher on D

1. No defensive core we try to sign is going to contain Getzlaf. He is a great player.

2. Did you look at Detroit's GAA? They let in only two goals in the last two games. The defense was not a problem in the finals. They kept Crosby to three points and silenced Malkin from game five after.

[Xduff83X 0]

Jay Bouwmeester

ah, i thought he was talking about current people in the wings org.

[Finnish Wing 110]

I think we should re-sign Hoss and put him in the 2nd line with Flip in the center. The Z and D could be in the 1st line.

Holmström-Zetterberg-Datsyuk

Franzen-Filppula-Hossa

Leino-Helm-Cleary

Maltby-Draper-Kopecky/Abdelkader

Lidström-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Lebda/Lilja-Ericsson

Osgood

Conklin

[albo23 10]

In 2010-2011 I want our lineup to look like this:

Kovalchuk-Zetterberg-Kesler

Franzen-Datsyuk-Filpulla

Leino-Helm-Stajan

Abdelkadar-Ebbett-Cleary

Bouwmeester-Rafalski

Ericsson-Kindl

Stuart-Kronwall

McCollum

Larsson

What do you guys think? I know I pushed it a little in some places such as adding Ebbett, but I'm sure Stajan, Kovalchuk, Kesler, and Ebbett will take the championship discount.

Edited June 15, 2009 by albo23

[Dominator2005 558]

I wouldn't mind Steve Montador as our # 6 def. Right hand shoot (hard shooting def) with some grit... cheap as well played for $800.00 this season... screw Lebda and Meech, sign him at same price and we are set on DEF.

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Ericsson - Montador

We can use him on PP 2nd unit...

[Probie 7]

You honestly think Nash is leaving the Jackets?

You are out of your mind.

I dont know if Nashing is leaving the jackets, its in the future, and I cant see into it. No, I'm quite in my mind, thank you. My point was by locking up all these older players to such long big contracts, what happens if a Nash or another young star could possibly want to sign with us in the future? It means were are stuck with Older players. Nash would be 26 when he could sign, Kovalchuk would be 27. I'm not saying we could sign them or they would be a fit, but it would make sense to sign younger stars to lengthy contracts, and if these younger guys are available well, we cant get them, cause we have the Oldens signed up.

And Zett and Franzen don't have NTCs.

I said Hossa Dats and Z, I never mentioned Mule. It is expected if Hossa does sign one of those Z contracts that he would have a few no trade clause years for certain, or why else sign for less? Now when I said Hossa Dats and Z, i was right about Dats( has ntc then a nmc), I would be right about Hossa when he signshis, but it looks like I was wrong about Z, because i remember reading right when his contract was signed, some places reported that it had a bunch of NTC years at the beginning...but I just did a thourough google search and came up with nothing. Maybe those reports that came out the day it was signed were wrong and jumped the gun??!! I swear I remember reading them.. oh well. I never mentioned Franzen having a NTC in his contract like you thought I did, you say that he doesnt have them...but after a quick search, well unless these sources are wrong it looks like Mule does have a few NTC years:

1) "Reports out of Detroit claim Franzen new deal is an eye-popping 11 seasons and the cap hit will be $3.95 million per season. It’s heavily front-loaded and in the final two seasons Franzen will earn $1 million per season. The deal comes with a no-trade clause in the first five-six seasons then becomes a limited one for the remainder of the deal."

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2)"Franzen has a no trade clause for the first 6 years of the contract."

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Edited June 16, 2009 by Probie