Ohlund HEAD SHOT on Kessel

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If Booth was looking where he was going he would have seen Richards. In my books that's the same as having your head down. Cutting across centre ice not paying attention is astupid move by Booth. Yes they need new leadership but whoever they bring in will not fix the problem so there is no point. The NHL and some of the players ruined this game during the lockout with the rule changes and trying to make it more entertaining to southerners. I'll never stop watching it but I will never feel that the new NHL is an improvement.

This.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Wasn't a head shot. Perfect his, Kessel should've had his head up.

[zettie85 106]

I love the old NHL. Stevens was amazing. He would be kicked out of the league for his hit on Kariya now.

As Grapes would, "BAAWANGO!!!"

Edited November 4, 2009 by zettie85

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

If Booth was looking where he was going he would have seen Richards. In my books that's the same as having your head down. Cutting across centre ice not paying attention is astupid move by Booth. Yes they need new leadership but whoever they bring in will not fix the problem so there is no point. The NHL and some of the players ruined this game during the lockout with the rule changes and trying to make it more entertaining to southerners. I'll never stop watching it but I will never feel that the new NHL is an improvement.

Yup. The NHL has alienated it's older fan base by changing a niche sport and trying to push the new version down the throats of folks who have no interest in it. The game has taken steps backwards IMO, but then again, I'm old school. I don't might a little clutching and grabbing and would take a tie over the circus act known as the shootout.

[edicius 3,269]

I love the old NHL. Stevens was amazing. He would be kicked out of the league for his hit on Kariya now.

As Grapes would, "BAAWANGO!!!"

Wow, I didn't realize how often Stevens led with his elbows. Definitely a different league today, as most of those monster hits would easily be suspendable offenses now.

[Rivalred 630]

And people wonder why players like Pat Lafontaine and Eric Lindros had to retire early.

[zettie85 106]

And people wonder why players like Pat Lafontaine and Eric Lindros had to retire early.

Would you take hitting out of the game?

[stevkrause 1,247]

Would you take hitting out of the game?

apples to oranges.

90% of Steven's hits were great, clean hits - but those other 10% he should have been punished for...

and yes... I want to take hitting out of the game... DIRTY hitting

this is coming from a guy who's game revolved around the physical aspect when I played travel hockey - I was a physical presence first and foremost and prided myself on my physical game, but also would like to think I always did it with respect... if a hit like that were dropped on a teammate of mine - I would have a serious problem with it.

The fact is, the respect in the game is disappearing and this is worrisome - there is very little accountability anymore and players are not learning at a young age to respect their opponents while still playing hard and that they WILL be accountable for their actions - also, players are not being taught well enough on how to protect themselves soon enough... but that's a whole different topic...

EDIT - just for clarification - I am talking about hits like the one on Booth from Richards and the Steven's hit on Lindros - NOT the one on Kessel - that was clean

Edited November 4, 2009 by stevkrause

[Rivalred 630]

Would you take hitting out of the game?

That is like 5 different topics and 100+ pages of posts.

What is your definition of a hit? Is it a clean hit? Was it a dirty hit? Do players respect players like they should? Do players know when to let up?

Endless....

[zettie85 106]

apples to oranges.

90% of Steven's hits were great, clean hits - but those other 10% he should have been punished for...

and yes... I want to take hitting out of the game... DIRTY hitting

this is coming from a guy who's game revolved around the physical aspect when I played travel hockey - I was a physical presence first and foremost and prided myself on my physical game, but also would like to think I always did it with respect... if a hit like that were dropped on a teammate of mine - I would have a serious problem with it.

The fact is, the respect in the game is disappearing and this is worrisome - there is very little accountability anymore and players are not learning at a young age to respect their opponents while still playing hard and that they WILL be accountable for their actions - also, players are not being taught well enough on how to protect themselves soon enough... but that's a whole different topic...

EDIT - just for clarification - I am talking about hits like the one on Booth from Richards and the Steven's hit on Lindros - NOT the one on Kessel - that was clean

It's ironic that Howe is your avatar.haha The Kariya hit in that video. Do you find that in need of a suspension?

[Rivalred 630]

Would you take hitting out of the game?

Would you?

Do you find that in need of a suspension?

Do you?

[stevkrause 1,247]

It's ironic that Howe is your avatar.haha The Kariya hit in that video. Do you find that in need of a suspension?

no, it's not ironic, because he was the greatest player to ever play the game - and that was a VERY different time... I suppose I can't like any goalie who wears a cage in today's game because Jacques Plant and Terry Sawchuck didn't back then by your logic... or how about hating any player who uses a curved stick, because Howe didn't... wait, I should probably hate any player who has a hard boot on their skate and not just a flap of leather too... you love comparing apples to oranges, don't you? It's called progress - as technology and society evolves - so does sport. period.

The Kariya hit, Steven's had his elbows tucked, he was in front of Kariya and Kariya was watching his pass - clean hit.

Once again, there are a variety of factors to take into effect and I'm not the once making the decisions... we will all have our own opinions of every hit and it's up to a PROPER board to make the PROPER decisions - which the league currently does not have.

[zettie85 106]

That is like 5 different topics and 100+ pages of posts.

What is your definition of a hit? Is it a clean hit? Was it a dirty hit? Do players respect players like they should? Do players know when to let up?

Endless....

The game has become pussified. It should be black and white. A guy comes in arms tucked, stays on his feet and lays a solid open ice check, too ******* bad for the guy who got clocked.

If a guy comes in leading with an elbow, taking a huge run, hitting from behind or coming in high and take some guys head off intentionally, then for sure enforce it.

There was never a problem until the new NHL. There are way to many questions trying to be asked during incidents. When Don Sanderson hit his head on the ice during a fight it was huge!. Should fighting be taken out? Should they leave helmets on? It's a new media coverage as well. Having guys in between benches doing the colour. It used to be play by play and post game interviews. Now they are on the benches and right in the players faces. They stir stuff up while down there.( I'm talking more about Pierre). The media stirs up controversies on there panels and on and on and on. Just let them play. There were less head injuries before all the rule changes. There is no NHL player playing in the league right now that grew up playing with the new rules. It's still in transition. To punish them for playing how they were taught is just not right.

[Rivalred 630]

The game has become pussified. It should be black and white. A guy comes in arms tucked, stays on his feet and lays a solid open ice check, too ******* bad for the guy who got clocked.

If a guy comes in leading with an elbow, taking a huge run, hitting from behind or coming in high and take some guys head off intentionally, then for sure enforce it.

There was never a problem until the new NHL. There are way to many questions trying to be asked during incidents. When Don Sanderson hit his head on the ice during a fight it was huge!. Should fighting be taken out? Should they leave helmets on? It's a new media coverage as well. Having guys in between benches doing the colour. It used to be play by play and post game interviews. Now they are on the benches and right in the players faces. They stir stuff up while down there.( I'm talking more about Pierre). The media stirs up controversies on there panels and on and on and on. Just let them play. There were less head injuries before all the rule changes. There is no NHL player playing in the league right now that grew up playing with the new rules. It's still in transition. To punish them for playing how they were taught is just not right.

Totally disagree based on behavioral/cognitive psychology.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Totally disagree based on behavioral/cognitive psychology.

exactly.

as I said above

It's called progress - as technology and society evolves - so does sport. period.

[zettie85 106]

Would you?

Do you?

Personally I never would and no there shouldn't be a suspension. I compare it to the Richards hit. It is basically identical except it was way later than Richards.

When it comes to hitting though maybe it is best to take it out. As stevkrause says today is away different time. The evolution of the sport may be leaning towards removing it.

Maybe it is to fast to allow gus to fly around on skates smoking each other.

[zettie85 106]

Totally disagree based on behavioral/cognitive psychology.

Maybe translate that to english for me. I'm obviously not as smart as you.

[Rivalred 630]

Maybe translate that to english for me. I'm obviously not as smart as you.

Ever hear the term "your a product of your environment"?

Google the the term based on theories, read, and learn about it.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Maybe translate that to english for me. I'm obviously not as smart as you.

In other words, the decision making process/behaviors of players are being formed based on what they see as "OK" - if these hits are not passed as "OK" from the NHL level down, they would not be a learned progression

[zettie85 106]

Ever hear the term "your a product of your environment"?

Google the the term based on theories, read, and learn about it.

I still fail to see where you are using it in this argument?

Are you directing it at me?

Or the game??

[stevkrause 1,247]

I still fail to see where you are using it in this argument?

Are you directing it at me?

Or the game??

he's referring to the game - see my reply above

[zettie85 106]

In other words, the decision making process/behaviors of players are being formed based on what they see as "OK" - if these hits are not passed as "OK" from the NHL level down, they would not be a learned progression

I see what you mean. But punishing Richards would serve what purpose? It's not a dirty hit by definition.

[Rivalred 630]

I still fail to see where you are using it in this argument?

Are you directing it at me?

Or the game??

It is fact based on your post that I quoted, get with the program, sheesh!

Read up about what I posted, learn the information, and re-read your post. Part of growing as an individual is learning how to educate yourself, take constructive criticism, and evaluating your own actions/personality.

Edited November 4, 2009 by Rivalred

[stevkrause 1,247]

I see what you mean. But punishing Richards would serve what purpose? It's not a dirty hit by definition.

we're going in circles, forget about Richards for one moment and think on the broad scale... once again:

Not EVERY head contact hit should be suspended... but there are variations and the discipline committee needs to gain some consistency and punish accordingly and without bias

All of this is going to be subjective and until the league gets a legit board in there and not some Mickey Mouse organization, this debate is going to continue, more people are going to get hurt, suspensions that should be called will be missed and people will get suspended that have no right getting suspended...

Edited November 4, 2009 by stevkrause

[zettie85 106]

we're going in circles... once again:

Not EVERY head contact hit should be suspended... but there are variations and the discipline committee needs to gain some consistency and punish accordingly and without bias

All of this is going to be subjective and until the league gets a legit board in there and not some Mickey Mouse organization, this debate is going to continue, more people are going to get hurt, suspensions that should be called will be missed and people will get suspended that have no right getting suspended...

You are giving me your opinion on the leagues disciplinary actions. Not why you believe he should made an example off.