mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Adding McCarty to this list negated your entire argument. I'd have to say McCarty made a lot more than a "negligible" impact on the history of this franchise. He was definitely talking about McCarty's return. I loved the guy but his return didnt bare much fruit. It was still cool to reunite the grindline though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 I think McCarty's return had more to do with helping him out than it did with helping the team out. I don't think he *cost* the team anything, but I don't think there was ever an expectation that he would win us games. That said, the crowd got very excited that he came back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Fighting wise? I'll take Downey. Skill wise? I'll take May. The only thing May has, is the same thing Mac brought to us, It's positioning and seasoning. He understood his role and he understood where to be. He May 'was' a goon, but he plays like a seasoned vet and knows where to be and were to go with the puck, When downs was on the ice, He was looking for the hit and when it came to playing smart hockey, he was always a step behind. Downs was much more chippier and alot more vocal. He ran people. He kept the opposition on its toes. and like I suspected, May would come out swinging early and then mellow out as the year goes on. Overall, I am stoked to see May in as many games as he has, I'm hating how Val, Mule and JWill are getting close to a return, that just means May wont be in the roster as much. Downey ran guys and subsequently laid on his ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feldmarschall 9 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 May is a more skilled hockey player and a much better skater that picks his battles and his hits more intelligently than Downs did. They both were/are here to do what Babcock called "keeping the flies off" in an interview IIRC. Keeps people from twisting helmets off after whistles and such, and run over someone important once in a while. I did like Downey, though. Great scrapper, very entertaining, and what he did to Parros and Laperriere last year was absolutely awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavel Hossyukstrom 2 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Remember folks May is 37 and Downey is like 33-34. But at the same age both at like 32 I'll take May everytime over Downey. I loved Downey when he was here he was force on the ice with his fists. The thing I liked about him is he didn't back down from anybody. The Cam Janssen fight last year was awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 I think we should sign Floyd Mayweather. Just because you know I'm right doesn't mean you need to start jumping on the Floyd bangwagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Downey ran guys and subsequently laid on his ass Dont be an ignorant prick. Downey was a hitting machine. I assure you the hits along the boards he constantly threw SEVERAL TIMES EVERY SHIFT were far more damaging hits that what Kronwall throws. Downey is 225lbs and he scared the opposition s***less every time he was on the forecheck. They'd have their head up constantly and very often were reluctant to go to the corners to retrieve pucks. Not saying May doesnt have a similar effect, but your Downey hatred is really something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Dont be an ignorant prick. Downey was a hitting machine. I assure you the hits along the boards he constantly threw SEVERAL TIMES EVERY SHIFT were far more damaging hits that what Kronwall throws. Downey is 225lbs and he scared the opposition s***less every time he was on the forecheck. They'd have their head up constantly and very often were reluctant to go to the corners to retrieve pucks. Not saying May doesnt have a similar effect, but your Downey hatred is really something else. Me the ignorant one, when you are making this crazy claim? You make me laugh with every post about downey. Seriously? You are a crazy. Show me a Downey hit reel already... o yeah that one hit on wellwood, Wellwood is the kind of guy who would be afraid of downey anyways, like I mentioned he could hit somebody, too abd it was wellwood. Nobody was afraid of being hit by Downey, in fact guys who knew his tendencies probably relished the sight of him coming towards them so they could lay him out with a big counter hit. And that rarely happened cause he usually would run around and miss hits in the first place. Your love for Downey has officially gone out of control with this comment. I don't hate on Downey, I just acknowledge the fact that he was not a great hitter and he can't play the game, he is a great fighter and a good teammate, but lets step into reality here Edited December 17, 2009 by jollymania Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 You can quote me in your signature all you want, its just true. Havlat aside, Kronwall has an ability to knock other players to the ice in an entertaining fashion, but they're hardly shaken up. You need to understand the difference between an 185lb defenseman and a 225lb heavyweight throwing a hit. As for your comment about noone being afraid of Downey on the ice, Im not even going to comment on. "Everyone has their head up when Downey is on the ice" - Micky Redmond. I look forward to not reading your response. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 You can quote me in your signature all you want, its just true. Havlat aside, Kronwall has an ability to knock other players to the ice in an entertaining fashion, but they're hardly shaken up. You need to understand the difference between an 185lb defenseman and a 225lb heavyweight throwing a hit. As for your comment about noone being afraid of Downey on the ice, Im not even going to comment on. "Everyone has their head up when Downey is on the ice" - Micky Redmond. I look forward to not reading your response. lol you need to under stand the difference between knowing how to hit and not knowing, it seems like all you know about is fisticuffs, and all you care to do is gush over how great enforcers are. Even if Redmond did say that he probably wasn't referring to Downey's hits because he never made an impact with them, saying downey is a good hitter is like saying Lebda is, just because Lebda has thrown like 3 really good hipchecks in his career doesn't make him a good hitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 17, 2009 <brad may the 'Wrecking ball" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) You can quote me in your signature all you want, its just true. Havlat aside, Kronwall has an ability to knock other players to the ice in an entertaining fashion, but they're hardly shaken up. You need to understand the difference between an 185lb defenseman and a 225lb heavyweight throwing a hit. As for your comment about noone being afraid of Downey on the ice, Im not even going to comment on. "Everyone has their head up when Downey is on the ice" - Micky Redmond. I look forward to not reading your response. Why ignore the Havlat hit when it is one of the hits he has made? I'm sure players are thinking "Nicklas Kronwall? He's no Aaron Downey." when they see Kronwall step on the ice. What a joke of a hitter. Edited December 18, 2009 by Doc Holliday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b-random 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 Brad May x10, Downey was a huge liability on the ice. All he did was look for the big hit and fight when needed. But in his defense, I assume that was all he was asked to do. From what I've seen from Brad May, he plays a very responsible game, my only complaint is that he sometimes starts fights in the oppositions zone when we have possession, he's done that a few times and it's not too smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 Why ignore the Havlat hit when it is one of the hits he has made? I'm sure players are thinking "Nicklas Kronwall? He's no Aaron Downey." when they see Kronwall step on the ice. What a joke of a hitter. Way to take what I was saying completely out of context Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 Way to take what I was saying completely out of context Maybe you should have not said anything at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 It amuses me when people on my ignore list keep replying to my posts, despite me already saying I have no intention of reading their drivel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 Way to take what I was saying completely out of context The context was quite clear. You believe that Downey's hits are more punishing than Kronwalls, and that players would be more afraid of Aaron Downey when it comes to getting hit than Nicklas Kronwall. Personally I would think they would be more afraid of Brad Stuart, but I digress. Kronwall has the reputation for throwing big body checks on players. Crushing open ice body checks. Whether you as a fan thinks they hit or not is irrelevant. That is going to affect a player much more than the guy who is bigger but doesn't necessarily have the reputation for hits, and plays fourth line minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 The context was quite clear. You believe that Downey's hits are more punishing than Kronwalls, and that players would be more afraid of Aaron Downey when it comes to getting hit than Nicklas Kronwall. Personally I would think they would be more afraid of Brad Stuart, but I digress. Kronwall has the reputation for throwing big body checks on players. Crushing open ice body checks. Whether you as a fan thinks they hit or not is irrelevant. That is going to affect a player much more than the guy who is bigger but doesn't necessarily have the reputation for hits, and plays fourth line minutes. I wasnt saying Kronwall wasnt a decent hitter, I was just saying Downs hits did more damage than some people seemed to think. Kronwall may have a reputation for occasionally laying someone out, but Downey's reputation was that hes a goon and he might as well not carry a stick on a shifts for all the good it did him. He always looked to hit, cos he couldnt really do much else. Brad Stuart is indeed an intimidating hitter in comparison to Kronwall, because hes pushing 220lbs, which I think brings me back to whatever my original point was on the last page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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jollymania 162 Report post Posted December 18, 2009 It amuses me when people on my ignore list keep replying to my posts, despite me already saying I have no intention of reading their drivel. You're loss, you might actually learn something about the sport of hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
