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Antti Niemi files for arbitration

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My point I was really trying to get at is in the long run I don't see Niemi or Fleury really being top notch tendies in this league for years to come. Granted they have a ring a piece. Just can't see it turning into 2 great, long careers. It's to be seen considering both are in their mid-20's.

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Actually,

Fleury was great in the 4 games that they won and sucked in the other 3

.900

.885

.762

If you average the 3 games that he sucked with the 4 that he was great you get a mediocre performance.

Look at ALL of his playoff games in all years and you find that he has a CAREER 0.911 save percentage compared to Niemi's 0.910.

Neither Niemi or Fleury are good playoff goalies.

And as far as big games, don't forget that the Pit-Det series was tied 2-2 with game 5 being the swing game and what did Fleury do. He was pulled after letting in 5 goals and finished the game with a 0.762 save percentage. So much for coming up big.......

I didn't say Fleury was a great playoff goalie, I said in his SC run, he played well in the finals... please do not put words in my mouth... Also, a CAREER .911 SV% is actually pretty good, so where are you going with this? Also, Fleury has a much larger sample size than Niemi, so Niemi's #'s could still go up or down - I was MERELY comparing the 2 SCF RUNS... I personally think in today's NHL that you don't build around a goalie anyways, so I think that neither should be highly paid, I was just putting things in perspective...

Also, if you average it out, it actually makes Fleury's run a very good SCF performance... hardly mediocre... I did the actual math and the numbers say it all:

Fleurys 2009 SCF:

SA - 195

GA - 178

SV% - .913

Niemi's 2010 SCF:

SA - 178

GA - 157

SV% - .882

That is hardly the same...

Edited by stevkrause

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The last good playoff goalie, and we are talking exceptional, was Osgood back in 2008. He posted a 1.55 GAA with a .930 Save percentage in 19 games. In fact, just looking at the cup winning goalies since the lockout, I believe he had the best stats in the last 8 years in the playoffs.

he really did have an exceptional playoff, for sure! Dom was OUTSTANDING in 02 as well...

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Certainly never painted him as a scrub but, what has he shown to be ultra impressive aside from having an immensely stacked team lined up in front of him? It is all to be seen where his career goes from here but I don't see it being much.

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Its funny how people try to paint Niemi as some scrub goalie the got lucky and won a cup and will have just a mediocre career based off his ROOKIE season....

Many starting goaltenders in the NHL are young goalies who have not proven their ability but as of last season are considered "top goalies" by many because of a small sample.

Some examples of names would include Jonas Hiller, Tuukka Rask, Antti Niemi, Steve Mason, Craig Anderson, Jimmy Howard, Jonathan Quick, Ilya Bryzgalov, and Jaroslav Halak.

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Saw this on "Watching the Chicago Blackhawks implode!" on Facebook -

What would Nasville want with him?

Either way the guy went from a #1 goalie on a Stanley Cup winning team to a backup for less money than he was awarded at arbitration. I almost guarantee it.

That's why once I have a kid and he undoubtedly becomes an NHLer I'll be his agent and do what's best for him rather than what's best for my pocket book. If I was Niemi I'd be strangling my agent right now.

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