Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) How the hell does it matter if they left or not? none of those players made the league when they were the age that Hersley was when he left. The point is that players aren't done developing when they are 19-20, where they play is completely irrelevant to that fact. Take your trolling/derailing somewhere else. Edited January 26, 2015 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) How the hell does it matter if they left or not? none of those players made the league when they were the age that Hersley was when he left. Take your trolling/derailing somewhere else. So you think it doesn't matter that a player plays it out in NA til he earns a spot? Again, I'm asking you how many players have bailed on the NA game and then come back to successfully play the NA game? You still haven't named any. Hasek and St. Louis, are in no way comparable to Hersley for about a 1000 different reasons. The only thing that is comparable is that they all played hockey. You might as well compare Herley to Howe. EDIT: I love when someone who has no support for their argument resorts to call the other person a troll. Edited January 26, 2015 by number9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) The other thing that is comparable is that they weren't good enough to play in the NHL until well into their careers. Make a new thread if you want to discuss this any further. You obviously know everything about not having any support for your argument. Edited January 26, 2015 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 The other thing that is comparable is that they weren't good enough to play in the NHL until well into their careers. Make a new thread if you want to discuss this any further. St Louis started playing NHL hockey in his mid 20's, long before Hersley at 28. He also grew to become an all star hart winning player. Something Hersley will never be. AGAIN I'm asking you for a hersley example? Lemme guess, you don't have one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) You can google yourself if you want to, I don't think it matters one bit if they stay in NA their entire careers or if they choose to go back and develop in Europe for a couple of years. Players can develop after 20 and there is nothing you can say that will change that. I guess we should just forget about Bäckman btw, dude went back to Europe so he is clearly never gonna get anywhere. Lindström is an example btw, that you think he isn't good enough doesn't really change that he went that route. Edited January 26, 2015 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 You can google yourself if you want to, I don't think it matters one bit if they stay in NA their entire careers or if they choose to go back and develop in Europe for a couple of years. Players can develop after 20 and there is nothing you can say that will change that. I guess we should just forget about Bäckman btw, dude went back to Europe so he is clearly never gonna get anywhere. Oh so you can't name a player who has returned to Europe and then come back to be successful in NA? Not surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 Oh so you can't name a player who has returned to Europe and then come back to be successful in NA? Not surprised. And you wonder why I call you a troll? Keep shifting the goalposts though and asking me meaningless questions that doesn't have a single thing to do with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 And you wonder why I call you a troll? Keep shifting the goalposts though and asking me meaningless questions that doesn't have a single thing to do with this. I asked you if you have an example of a Hersley. You havne't cited one. How does that make me a troll? Im not sure you understand what a troll is lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 People can develop wherever they play, what part of this is so difficult to understand? And what part of stop derailing this thread with meaningless bulls*** is so difficult to understand?? You haven't seen a second of the player in question anyway, you're just arguing for the point of arguing so yeah a troll... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 People can develop wherever they play, what part of this is so difficult to understand? And what part of stop derailing this thread with meaningless bulls*** is so difficult to understand?? For the millionth time Ill ask you, what player has come to NA - left NA - and then come back and been successful? Idk why your whining about derailing this thread. It's right on topic. Your just made I'm asking a question you can't answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 I gave you several players who didn't make it in the NHL until later in their careers. I could give a flying f*** where they played in the mean time. Or actually not even where they played cause most of them did play in Europe, it's the trip back and forth that you somehow magically thinks kills any chance for them to progress in their careers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 I gave you several players who didn't make it in the NHL until later in their careers. I could give a flying f*** where they played in the mean time. So you're saying you can't cite any players who left the league and then came back to be successful in it? Only players who bloomed late? Is that what I'm hearing??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I'm not gonna spend my morning googling cause you come up with some insane criteria that they have to fullfill. They can develop in any league in the world and make it in the NHL at a later age. I know of Lindström off the top of my head, if you wanna come up with more try using google, I'm sure yours works just as well as mine. Even if there isn't a single other player in the history of the NHL who hasn't done it though that means absolutely squat in the case of Hersley. Edited January 26, 2015 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 You really are thick huh? Thick about what? I've asked numerous times but you still haven't named one come back player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Thick about what? I've asked numerous times but you still haven't named one come back player. I've mentioned several players who developed in Europe, I don't give a s*** if you rule out the ones who travelled back and forth. That's your issue and your shifting goalposts. It really is too bad that you can't block trolls in this place. Edited January 26, 2015 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 Ohhhhhh I've mentioned several players who developed in Europe, I don't give a s*** if you rule out the ones who travelled back and forth. That's your issue and your shifting goalposts. It really is too bad that you can't block trolls in this place. Ohhhhh so in your book there's no difference between playing in Europe and playing in NA? (Word to the wise their is a difference) Hence why almost no one has gone back to europe and then come back to Na like u suggsest with Hersley. Which is why you still can't name an example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 I never said there isn't a difference, good god you're such a troll it's ridiculous... I mentioned several players who have DEVELOPED in European leagues and came to the NHL when they were older and who had great success there. I am however saying that if they played a season in the AHL when they were 19 and then went back to Europe or if they played in Europe the entire time is an entirely pointless criteria. Do you understand now that I've broken that down for you for the fifteenth time or do we need to go over it again?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 I never said there isn't a difference, good god you're such a troll it's ridiculous... I mentioned several players who have DEVELOPED in European leagues and came to the NHL when they were older and who had great success there. I am however saying that if they played a season in the AHL when they were 19 and then went back to Europe or if they played in Europe the entire time is an entirely pointless criteria. Do you understand now that I've broken that down for you for the fifteenth time or do we need to go over it again?? HAHA sure dude. You "broke it down" Good luck with that. Night night now. debate me in the morning if your still butt hurt about ur backwards logic. sweet dreams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 Sleep tight little troll, maybe tomorrow you'll have something new to add about this player you've never heard of or seen play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 Sleep tight little troll, maybe tomorrow you'll have something new to add about this player you've never heard of or seen play. If you consider me a troll strike me down now with comments. EKMAC, pls debate me if u disagree, don't resort to rich DG stature Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 That's what I've been doing all night, as usual though you just don't get it. Can't wait to hear some more brilliant insights from you on how a trip back and forth to NA ruins someone's career forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 Rafi Looks like Hersley was 22 or 23 when he went back to Europe, btw, not that it really makes that much difference. But the Euro leagues have a ton of players who didn't make the NHL, many who did fairly well in the AHL, who do well over there. And it's not unusual for players to get better in their mid-late 20s. I still don't see any reason to be particularly optimistic that he could be an NHL player at all, much less a good one. Three teams have already owned his rights, and I'm sure plenty of scouts have seen him since he's been back in Europe. His numbers have been pretty good since his first year back there, which doesn't really scream "late-bloomer" to me. More than welcome to try out. Like I said, nothing to lose. But if he's really any good he's probably already had that offer. I have to think that even if he does have the ability to play here, he doesn't seem to have any real desire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 You are right there are tons of players in Europe who did well in the ahl and still didn't make it. Very few of them however have this particular players skill set. As for late bloomer as I said I've watched him a lot particularly in the SHL and the national team and it's really in the last 1,5 seasons that he's broke through, he's almost a constant offensive threat now whenever I see him play. As for his desire I have no idea but if he wants to I think we will see him at least try out in the NHL within the next 1-2 years, he has all the tools to be an effective player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I'm confused, what's the debate here? Edited January 26, 2015 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) So you're saying you can't cite any players who left the league and then came back to be successful in it? Only players who bloomed late? Is that what I'm hearing??? Is the question, "name players who have played in North America, gone back to Europe, and then returned to North America to have some success?" Jori Lehtera? Jiri Hudler? Mark Streit? Leo Komarov? Brian Rafalski? Johnny Oduya? Radim Vrbata? Anton Babchuk? Robert Lang? Mark Giordano? Jiri Sekac? Edited January 26, 2015 by kipwinger 1 Ekmanc reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
