MGreenberg

I'd get rid of Holland for offering Hudler a $15 million dollar contract and keep both Pavs and Hank.

A- Hudler (won't get injured; will instead lead the team in scoring)

Oh God... Stop crying. Sound like a bunch of whiny babies getting butt hurt like you should be butt hurt. He is correct. Holland could of got Jagr for 3.3m, and he didn't, thats not a ride, that's a steal. Datsyuk and Zetterberg need someone to pass to that can get the puck in the net, and Jagr could of been that guy, $5 million would of been a steal.


People need to accept this: Holland really did nothing this year to revamp the team, NOTHING. He had room to sign Jagr, and overpaying him for a year, is much preferred to the position they currently are in. Money and no one to spend it on, you can't find enough okay 3rd liners to sign to make the Red Wings a serious Stanley Cup contender.

There is much laughing at Kopecky's contract, and yet...

Kopecky's deal is notably better than Valtteri Filppula's contract was at the time it was signed. Filppula's deal would be around $4.4m if it were signed this year. He played around 40% of his time with Datsyuk in Datsyuk's best offensive year. Outside of Datsyuk's intrusion, his linemates varied between Cleary, Hudler, Homer. Samuelsson, and Franzen. Flip was, at the time, worse defensively than Kopy is now and relied more heavily on his linemates for offense.

I would probably only have gone maybe to $2.5, but $3 is reasonable given his versatility and production. Realize this; he'd probably get more in arbitration.

Despite some word that Bieksa took a 'home town discount' you've got to wonder if this is the true benchmark for UFA defensement in terms of salary.  Personally, I don't think Markov set the tone with his 3 year $15.25 deal.  If word that the Wings are interested in Ehroff and/or Wisniewski is true the Wings could conceivably attain both (assuming those players want to come here) while still have money for a back up goaltender and a forward.  Kopecky and Harding are just random names for rough dollar amounts that could still be distributed differently.  Plus, adding in Ericsson at $2.4M/yr is sure to get a rise out of a lot of LGW members.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Tomas Kopecky ($2.000m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.950m)
/ Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.250m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($2.400m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Josh Harding ($1.400m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,592,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $707,956

I've edited the original post a little bit..

DISCLAIMER: First of all, don't give me any lines thread crap.  If you don't like my posts, don't click them.  No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to do so.  I like lines threads.  Many others like lines threads as well.  We're members of this forum.  We have a right to discuss them.  Unless you're a moderator, and unless new anti-line thread legislation has been passed...shut up and move on, or participate.

Second of all, this is my 'best guess' 2011/2012 Detroit Red Wings roster.  It's not who I want.  It's not who you want.  It's what I think is going to happen.  Babcock said we need to add a Rafalski replacement and a top six forward.  I'm not getting into trades.  The board seems to hold the general consensus that James Wisniewski and Brooks Laich are the best realistic options, so, I'm plugging those two in.  I've also heard/read - several times over - that we want Brendan Smith to make the team next season, so I'm plugging him in as well.  After we sign those two, and take care of some other necessary things, we'll probably still have enough to sign either Jagr or Ericsson (and I've outlined these numbers below).  Right now, I'm thinking that it'll be Jagr.

Third, the real question - IS THIS TEAM, my 'best guess' team, GOING TO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE STANLEY CUP?  In my opinion, yes, there's no question about it.  What do you think?



By my estimates, we're going to have about 12.9-15.9mil in cap space to work with this summer (depending on how high the cap goes)...

1) If we sign a cheap backup goalie (at about 1mil/season), and purchase the contracts of Smith (0.9mil/season), Emmerton (0.5mil/season), and Janik (0.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 10-13mil.

2) If we sign Wisniewski (at about 4.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 5.5-8.5mil.

3) If we sign Laich (at about 3.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 2-5mil.

...at this point we'd have 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goalies under contract...and, more than likely, we'd still have enough to sign Jagr or Ericsson (but not both).

I vote Jagr.



Filppula-Datsyuk-Franzen
Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Jagr
Laich-Helm-Cleary
Hudler-Abdelkader-Holmstrom
Mursak
Emmerton

Kronwall-Wisniewski
Lidstrom-Smith
Stuart-Kindl
Janik

Howard
*?*

lol @ Eva... "every non-first liner but Hudler is expendable!"

So many good pics:

all the negs in the world won't change the fact that both of these players not returning is GREAT news for the detroit red wings!

neg away, folks!

True fandom, right here.

only delusional homers want osgood back.

get a clue.

great news!  get lost, both of you.

Chairman Maouth
Y U NO POST ON LGW WHEN VANCOUVER CHOKE?