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#2216118 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 18 October 2011 - 01:04 AM

"Dumb" depends on the situation. Trading him right now for anything other than a better top-6 forward wouldn't make much sense, sure. But after another 30-ish games if we need to open a roster spot for Mursak, who knows. Maybe Hudler will have 40 points and look like an all-star, maybe he'll have 10 and be a healthy scratch half the time.

We don't yet know how Hudler will perform. We don't know how guys like Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Miller, Eaves, etc. will perform. We don't know what our team needs will be, or if we'll need to open a roster spot. Speculating that Hudler might be a good trade candidate in 2 1/2 months is no more "dumb" than speculating that he'll still be a top-6 forward at that point.

You've written a lot of words here, but really haven't said much.

#2216110 Filppula is "too nice".

Posted by Scott Stevens on 17 October 2011 - 11:39 PM

It has nothing to do with Filppula. I just can't stand people who somehow take pride in being a douchebag and having people hate them. Both in real life or on the internet. Clear indicator of personal issues.

But yeah, let's talk about Filppula. Great start for him so far and will likely get better. Pretty much the most impressive Wing thus far, shift in shift out. He's creating a ton of scoring chances and showing some slick moves. Has anyone noticed, though, that sometimes Franzen is taking the faceoffs when he's out with Flip and Hudler? I'd like to know what's behind that. Especially being that he's 60%+ in faceoffs and Franzen is in the 30s.

Can you two get a room and make up already? Damn.

Babcock LOVES Filppula, so neither of you guys is doing any good slamming or defending him right now. The FACT is that Flips is going to play and get points because Babs knows Flips is solid. Just let him do his thing.

#2216096 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 17 October 2011 - 10:36 PM

Got it. If the rookie 4th liner is playing well, we trade a top-six forward for a draft pick.

That makes sense to me. Everyone else on board?

This made me laugh!!

When Helm nets 2 pk break-aways in a row, let's get rid of Z for a 2nd rounder.

#2215342 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 02:40 PM

Are you confident with Hudler? We only have seen 3.66 % of the regular season.

Oh yah. Hudler is back. Franzen is still working his way back. He's doing pretty good, but he has a lot more to prove this year than Hudler does.

#2215325 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 01:26 PM

Franzen was scoring a point per game throughout the playoffs otherwise and was drawing great reviews from every analyst. And then, yes, he basically won a vital game by himself as well. As for "not being himself" in the rest of the games, LOL... if ANY player was regularly like Franzen was in game four, then that player's team would never lose. Franzen's game four against the Sharks in 2010 was one of the best playoff games ever played by any player. If you're expecting that out of him or anyone, then you're going to be disappointed. But you don't expect that; you're just saying all of this to cover for the fact that you made a baseless statement.

You're trying toooooo hard.

Let's just see if Franzen can get back to his old self. We need it. Hudler is back to his old self. Now we gotta get Franzen back.

#2215313 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 12:29 PM

We didn't discuss it at all. You spent several posts trying to cover for the fact that your "Franzen's 2010 playoffs were MISERABLE!" comment was utter nonsense. I'm not sure if you really want people to believe that you feel Franzen no-showed the playoffs that year. They would likely not think very well of you, given that he was one of the best playoff performers of any team in that offseason.

Franzen killed it in ONE game in 2010 and wasn't the same in all the rest. He hasn't played like himself the last 2 playoff seasons. The Sharks have something to do with this, because they are good. But he has to pick it up this year. Everyone knows this.

#2215308 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 12:14 PM

Your attempt to change the subject here is very transparent.

We already discussed his no-show the last 2 years against the Sharks. What else do you want me to rehash?

#2215291 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 10:34 AM

Uhhh.... what?

That point makes no sense. He "showed up" in a huge way in 2008, 2009, and 2010, and all that prevented a repeat least season was an injury to his ankle.


The people in the other Hudler thread are saying Franzen is a floater. Do you agree with that?

#2215260 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 15 October 2011 - 02:22 AM

He was injured for one playoff season. I guess Zetterberg being injured in the 2007 playoffs meant he sucks in your eyes, huh? Or maybe Datsyuk in 2009, eh?

You're trying too hard, and it's for a bad cause. Just admit that you made a baseless claim and let's be done with it.


You're gripping because you know we need a big body on that top line with Z, and if Franzen can't provide that, then we really don't have much hope in the playoffs. Just take a deep breath and rethink this one. You'll see that the point I'm trying to make is that Franzen is key to our success and has to show up.

#2215226 WTF is Babs thinking?!?!

Posted by Scott Stevens on 14 October 2011 - 10:24 PM

2nd on Ericsson. 100 mph shot and no pp time? Come on Babs.

#2214976 Asham KOs Beagle

Posted by Scott Stevens on 13 October 2011 - 11:12 PM

Knuckle Sandwich!

#2214568 Filppula

Posted by Scott Stevens on 13 October 2011 - 06:33 PM

As it stands we have around $28.5M in cap space next year (using this year's cap number) with Nick, Kronwall, Stuart, Commodore, Bert, Homer, Hudler, Abby, Helm, and Conklin to re-sign or replace. $10M or so to re-sign Kronwall and Stuart, $4M for Helm and Abby, $3M for Hudler, add Smith and backup goalie for $1.5 and that leaves $10M. You are not going to add two top-6 forwards and either Nick or top-4 d-man for that.

Lidstrom - 5.5 mil
Kronwall - 5.5 mil
Stuart - SIONARA
Commodore - SIONARA
Bertuzzi - SIONARA
Holmstrom - SIONARA
Hudler - SIONARA
Abdelkader - 1.5 mil
Helm - 2 mil
Conklin - 1 mil

Franzen - Zetterberg - Boyes
Cleary - Datsyuk - Grabovski
Mursak - Filppula - Tatar
Abdelkader - Helm - Eaves

Miller - Emmerton

Lidstrom - White
Kronwall - Kindl
Smith - Ericsson



#2214416 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 12 October 2011 - 09:11 PM

Well he isnt exactly a third liner.

Wrong. He's a third liner until someone else gets hurt. That's where everyone goes wrong on here. Everyone WANTS him to be a 1st line winger and score 90 points a season. I got news for you and everyone else = HE IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT WITH FILPPULA AND ABDELKADER AND 10 MINUTES OF ICE TIME.

I wont act like a huge Hudler hater because I'm not, I would rather see him traded for something we need because others can fill his role.

And I'm not a Hudler lover. I think he does well for his size and speed, and puts up decent numbers for the spot he plays and the ice time he's given. I would rather see him traded for something better, as well. Who wouldn't? If you can convince Holland that we need more tough guys (Perry) and less soft Euros (Holmstrom, Hudler, Tatar), you will have my vote of confidence.

I think the people who defend Hudler say he only plays third line which isnt true, hes with Datsyuk right now and had time with him last season as well as PP time. He also does play on the lower lines a bit as well. Hes the definition of a tweener really.

And he scores when they put him with Datsyuk. That's the COLD HARD TRUTH that everybody on here likes to overlook. Hudler is a producer when he plays with Z/D.

Those other guys you mentioned aren't even comparable to Hudler. Franzen has the playoff resume, and the ability to take over games that not many players have. Hes the best goal scorer on the team, a good defensive player with a big body that he does throw the occasional hit with.


Ok, so Franzen scores .72 points per game (based on last year) on one of the top 2 lines. This is the most over-rated guy on the Wings. He has easily replaced Holmstrom as the guy Red Wings fans most easily confuse as a dominant sniper and feared player. He's hurt ALL THE TIME and doesn't play with any grit. He had a couple good playoff runs that have stoked his reputation. That is coming to an end, though. Again, instead of being a massive guy who crushes people, creates havoc in front of the net, and bangs home rebounds in the goalie crease, he's a perimeter Euro who benefits from playing with one of the best players in the world = Zetterberg. Franzen has a good heavy shot. That's about it.

Cleary almost had 30 goals in 60 something games last year, thats earning your contract in my eyes, and hes a PKer and defensive player.

http://www.nhl.com/i...-keymatch<br />
Cleary scores .67 points per game (based on last year) on one of the top 2 lines. I like Cleary. He plays hard, has speed, and keeps his defensive responsibility in check.

Bert has the ability to be a physical guy and has had solid production, even he is decent defensively and was being matched against Rick Nash last year.

http://www.nhl.com/i...-keymatch<br />
Bert scores .56 points per game (based on last year) on one of the top 2 lines. Bert is NOT a physical guy and does not play great defense. At one point in time, that was true. He is old and slow now, though. Let's be honest.

And then there's the other top 2 lines winger = Tomas Holmstrom.


He's gone after this year, so let's just leave him out of this for now. .51 points per game, for arguments sake though.

If Hudler tears up, all the power to him but even if hes scoring 60ish points a year (which is around his cieling i think) I still would love to see him traded because this team doesn't need a guy as one dimensional as he is and could use a guy with other attributes in his place.

I agree with you that the Red Wings don't need another soft Euro. But I don't agree that they need to trade Hudler to get an upgrade.

If Hudler is tearing up I would love to see him used to get Shane Doan, I feel like that trade could be similar to when they acquired Shanny in the day and just gave them that toughness they needed up front to not only outscore teams but bully them as well.

ME TOO!!! Hudler for Doan ALL DAY!!!

The higher his trade value gets this season, the better but I think he can be traded for something to put htis team over the top and become a championship squad again.

The higher his trade value gets, the less a team should want to trade him, right? Would you trade Darren Helm next because he only scores 25 points a season? Hell no, right?

#2214407 Season-Long Lines Thread

Posted by Scott Stevens on 12 October 2011 - 08:17 PM

Just saying, hes posted that before and a couple weeks later there's line threads everywhere.

And the moderator can merge them all into one. Big deal. It's not worth getting worked up about. Line threads are cool. I like to think about combos too.

#2214389 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 12 October 2011 - 06:05 PM

He is a tradeable piece, one of the few.

If he's trade-able, then he has value right?

He plays no defense.

Not true. The centers play defense on the Red Wings. The wingers are less responsible (see Thomas Holmstrom's career). I'm sure Hudler's defense would be just fine if he were at center.

This team hasnt made it past the 2nd round for 2 years, something needs to change.

True. And Hudler was gone for one of those years, so there's no argument here that he's part of the problem.

Hudler could have enough trade value that he gonna supply this team with something it needs more than him.

True. See point number 1.

Plus he dipped for mo money, and mo money mo problems.

True. This didn't please anybody who follows the Red Wings.

Don't get me wrong, Newfy. If we can get Tavares for Hudler, we do it in a second and never look back. I'm not against trading anyone on the team if the price is right. But the point I'm trying to make is that a third line winger playing with a third line center and a banger on the other side isn't going to score 70-80 points unless you time warp him 30 years and put him back on the 82 Islanders. For fans to constantly criticize Hudler's point production is just ridiculous. He's being used as a scapegoat and that's all there is to it. If Holmstrom, Franzen, Cleary, Bertuzzi or anyone else who has a wondertwin centering his line doesn't put up 70-80 points a season, then THOSE GUYS should be taking the brunt of the criticism as far as our offense goes. The Wings got rid of half their slop (Rafalski, Maltby, Draper) this year and will get rid of the other half after this season (Holmstrom, Bertuzzi). Then we'll see a fast, young, gritty team next year.