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This is the one main point I disagree with. Management doesnt care about making money, that would be a directive from ownership. I'm pretty sure Holland and co. are paid the same whether the Wings net X or net Y. Ya there is no defending Holland's cap management. He's stuck in the days where he just pays the players he likes what he wants with zero consequences which worked great back in the early 2000's, not so much now.

Before I respond Frank, let me say welcome back. As much as I often disagree with you, it's nice to hear different perspectives from people who are not just trolling. With that being said, what do you mean that precedent has been set? Holland has a history of signing RFA's to good contracts. Bad contracts given to your UFA's are not the same thing. But lets just pretend it does for conversation sake, why would making another mistake be the solution here? 3mil to AA because he got an offer from the KHL will make things worse for us especially with Mantha and Larkin due next season. And no that doesnt mean "lowball them" it means pay them market value which is why I agree with @PavelValerievichDatsyuk and say we offer him around 2.1. I dont think we are even close to being "guaranteed" the top pick, we are not as bad as people on here like to say we are. But again, lets just pretend we are for conversation sake, odds are not what they used to be. Look at the Avs, they had one of the worst seasons a team has had in a long time and they got 4th last year, Philly just missed the playoffs and they got 2nd. It's a lottery. I never said trade AA for a top 4 d-man, so Im not going to argue that. What I want is to trade AA and the first which could be anywhere from the 1st pick to 15th pick for a #1 d-man. Sure we could get the lottery pick, but realistically we are going to pick likely somewhere between 6-12 just based on the odds. Lets use the "chance" of the lottery to leverage a team to trade us a stud on the blue-line. So our of curiosity, what is your stance on AA? Do you say pay him 3mil? Or are you saying let him walk? Forget who are GM is, if it was your call, what would you do?

Nice! Glad to have him back.

While I'm obviously not happy with our current cap situation, I am happy that Holland is standing his ground in regards to AA using the KHL as leverage in negotiations. If Holland were to cave and pay AA 3mil per because a KHL team offered the same, he would be setting an awful precedent. I know some like to complain and go with the narrative "AA should ask for more money, look at what Abby/Helm etc. got!!!!!!!!!" but Holland overpaying UFA's doesn't mean he should also overpay RFA's. If anything, hopefully this teaches him a lesson and he doesnt overpay UFA's moving forward. We're not going to be contenders this year, so if he wants to walk, let him walk. We retain his rights anyways and I highly doubt he spends his entire career in the KHL. Or, trade him for a D-man along with a 1st which is what I have wanted for a while.

Fire, not extend, etc. my point still stands. I dont think Illitch goes with someone other then Holland unless Holland steps down or wants to go into another position.

I'll be honest with you Frank, I think this is just wishful thinking from the anti-Holland crowd. Unless he steps down, I dont see Holland going anywhere. If Chri Illitch is trusting Al Avila in a re-build, he will surely trust Ken Holland.

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And does it really count if half of them were Bill/Axe/Jonas/Mindfly etc. etc. etc.

Good....I didnt want Vanek this year given our roster.

Ya has nothing to do with the board troll who keeps getting banned but coming back. When were their hundreds of people on this board at a time?

Do you actually think anyone on this board buys that you are the victim lol!!

Personally I do not want to see a tear down, but I would like to see some vets go.

My basement flooded on Tuesday....damn you Holland!!!

@kickazz @Euro_Twins Bill's bait has been set...question is....do you bite?

Mandates like that come from ownership, not management. You can bring in whoever you want, but if ownership dont change their mindset, it doesn't matter. Not trying to defend Holland as does make bad moves, but why would Holland care about the bottom line if ownership doesn't. I think people WANT the issue to be Holland. If this mind set is created that everything is Holland's fault, then firing him would fix it right. If everything is Ilitch's fault, that is hard to stomach because that is not changing.

So I am looking at our roster, and assuming we are done and there are no trades to come (fingers crossed something is coming) here is what I think we are going to ice opening night. What are everybody's thoughts? I'm not looking for feedback in the sense of "we suck" or "I love it", I am looking for what people think will happen based on what we have. So for example, who people think is going to play, be sent down, be our healthy scratches etc. This is not necessarily what I want, but what I think is going to happen. Top 12 (no particular order): Gustav Nyquist, Andreas Athanasiou, Justin Abdelkader, Luke Glendening, Henrik Zetterberg, Dylan Larkin, Frans Nielsen, Darren Helm, Tomas Tatar, Anthony Mantha, Riley Sheahan, Luke Witkowski Top 6 D (no particular order): Trevor Daley, Mike Green, Nick Jensen, Dan DeKeyser, Niklas Kronwall, Xavier Ouellet Goalies: Jimmy Howard, Petr Mrazek IR: Jonathan Ericsson, Ryan Sproul, Johan Franzen Healthy Scratches: , Martin Frk, Jared Coreau, Big Dylan If E is not hurt to start the season, then he is likely rotating in with Kronwall and XO, and Big Dylan gets sent down.

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My bad....I did read 1.4 somewhere,but I cant remember where. I assumed it was correct.

Yes and No. IF AA signs in the KHL, once we place Franzen on LTIR we are about 1.4mil under. Either way though, this is a PTO, and he could be signed to a 2-way contract or even a minor league deal. PTO's don't hurt anyone. Now if we sign him to a 1 year NHL contract, that would be stupid.

Is anyone else on this board a season ticket holder? If yes, what was your experience this year in getting tickets with the new arena? Mine was awful, and after being a 10 game season ticket holder for 4 years, I quit. In previous years, the way it worked was you were given like 4 tiers. Tier 1 would have maybe 10 games available (say Leafs, Canadiens, Bruins etc), and you had to say pick 3 of them. Then tier 2 would have 10 available, and you would have to pick another 3, so on and so on. Not to mention, in the past if something changed in my schedule and I had to swap games, my rep was awesome and would always work with me as long as you were willing to exchange for another game within the same tier. This year in addition to the price increase, you no longer have the option of of choosing what games you want. You are given 4 plans, the Howe plan, Lindsay plan, Abel plan, and Delvecchio plan AND you have to decide to purchase one of these plans within a 24 hour window assigned to you by the team. You have absolutely no flexibility, to choose what you want. When I called my new rep and asked her if I could swap a couple games out as there were a few I just couldn't make due to work obligations, I was told that you could not swap games any more and was suggested to sell them online. I did buy tickets for the openers (preseason and regular season) through stubhub, but I was really disappointed this year. Just curious if anyone else had the same experience? Or a better/worse one?

Come on Lefty....the entire post reads as sarcasm.

More of the same, this is pretty much the same topic that is in every thread on the board.

For the opener I think the cheapest you can get is $175 for upper bowl!

Its the same thing every off-season. It's like a collective temper tantrum/pity party, when certain posters don't get what they want. Not saying I agree with all of Holland's moves, or that it shouldn't be discussed but when every thread turns into the exact same thing you can see why so many posters just stop posting.

What about his game makes you think this?