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The good old days of cloak and dagger to get guys out of the USSR. Was it Klima or federov that we helped defect in the dead of night.....been so long now.....

The backup goalie is entirely health related. Goalies with back issues are very worrying. TBH I expect this to be address real fast come July 1. Wrong? how? Do you work in the NHL's office? just becasue you can't remember doesn't mean it does or does not happen. I don't know all of the by laws of the NHL. Just speaking for myself, i would not trade 1st round picks on a huge risk like not being able to sign a guy. maybe 3rd for the rights, and add an additional 1st if he signs. Just as an example.

Listen not going to get into the quality of reporting in todays media. When things are quoted, the sourcing is terrible. so if I am wrong, so be it. But there have been other posts on this very forum over the past month saying the same thing, being attributed to Holland. Does it really matter if it is 4 or 5 players? Not at all. from day 1 it has been backup goalie, top 6 forward, bottom 6 forward with grit, and a top dman. The only real change was a second top dman.

I guess it depends on how you use the word bank. the traditional way: building where finacual transactions take place, or the slng version meaning large wad of money.... LOl Clearly you are.......LOL

late last night there was the story out the Nill expects Max to be signed and play in GR next season. Could turn into a nice stay home Dman in a couple of years.

it depends on the wants of the selling team, and the bids of the other teams involved. if you are NJ and you can't sign parise, is a 3rd round pick all you would take? is a single 1st round pick enough? if the Rw were to say offer Emmerton and Mursak, is that enough for you? I would think that any team trying to trade for rights is going to make the trade contingent on the player signing. Otherwise why would you do it? Now there is also the possibility of trading for a guy or 2 that are UFA's next season. Of which there is a long list, and their value is a little lower than normal because they could walk soon. Then there are the RFA's. There are always good players inline for big raises that teams just don't wan to pay for, or can't pay for. The sens forward Folingo (spelling) is an example. he has worked himself into position to get 3+ million. can they afford to keep him at that rate?

Schultz should be viewed as step 1 in the signing of young Dmen to continue to rebuild our BL long term. Sign schultz with the intent on having him replacing White for teh 2013 season. Sign Nicastro with the intent of having him replace Kindl for the 2014 season. next spring sign dekeyster with the intent of having him replace big E in a couple of years. all 3 will be 6-2+/200+ buy that time. That as a group has some real potential. Now add in Smith and whatever UFA's we pick up over the next couple of years, and this is a long term solution to the BL. yes not all of these guys will work out as we hope, but that is always the risk with prospects.

If you read the story, that was from an interview that waddel did with Holland. those are quotes, not some writers opinions. Now onto the list of questions.... 1. we have 21 on the roster. Holland wants to add 5 or so new players. That makes 26. Roster is limited to 23. 3 need to go. Yes a Nyquist could go down to GR. same with Mcdonald. In theory emmerton and mursak. That would open up the roster space. 2. the idea of trading for rights has some merit. but who do you trade for those rights? Say it is now June 25th and the devils realiaze they can't resign parise. they decide to trade his rights. Who do we offer, that will keep us from being outbid? Where are the trade pieces? 3. if you let Quincey walk, which is an option, you have to get 2 UFA's to sign. there is no guarente that will happen, or if it does that we end up with someone better than Quincey. For example. is 31 year old Jackman better than Quincey, and who much more would we have to pay to get him? 4. Right now i am less interested in the names of players, we can all come up with long lists of personnel fav's that could help. The far more interesting part is the how do we get player x, y, and x etc.....

There are 23 teams with 15+ million to spend. true some are bottom dwellers, some are not. I think the biggest team to watch out for with Suter is going to be the Blackhawks. They have 22 on their roster, and 9 million to spend. They could well be in a 1 player frame of mind. If the BH go to 8 million for Suter do we really want that much tied up in him?

Adding some cap thoughts to this. As of today we have 25 million to spend. This could change, and I think it will. Downward. But let's stick with 25 for now. If we were to try and resign Helm, Abby, Filppula, Quincy, White and Howard now, how much does it cost? Keep in mind the RFA's are not currently counted towards our cap total. I would expect helm and Abby to cost 3-4 million to keep them. Quincey another 3.5-4 million. So somewhere between 7 and 8 for those 3 guys. Filppula is making 4 now, so to extend him we will need to add what 1-2 million more? Or do we wait and risk him getting big money next year on the UFA market? same questions for White and Howard? I would think White would cost 1 million more to extend, but Howard is going to take 2.5+ million to extend. So that takes 12-15 million to keep those guys around. But if we do this, we eat up 50-60% of our available cap money. Yes we could wait a year on Filppula, White and Howard. The only one I wouldn't wait on from that group is Howard. The rest can be replaced next year. Quincey is the hot debate right now. resign or walk? letting him walk gives us some extra cash to play with, but what happens if we miss out? Is Kindl ready to play 75+ games as the number 6 D?

Could be. Might make some sense to skip those 2 and sign the next 4 best at the same total money instead. Just a thought.....

There are very very few untouchables in any sport. With caps the number gets smaller and smaller. They are only players that you can't trade due to no trade clauses and guys that are very expensive to move. As for moves, there are no sure things. Anyone can get hurt and have their careers end tomorrow. So yes there is always risk. Could this move happen? No. From the get go I said it can't, laich has a no trade clause. But would Green help us? Yes. the question becomes what is the price? No one really knows that answer.

How much does a top 5-10 pick in the draft get? That is what Schultz is, but with the added bonus for him of being a UFA. he was a 1st round pick IIRC 3 years ago. he is a lot better than that now. If we can sign him, we do so. No need to discuss this any further. There is zero downside to doing so. The rest is just side show stuff. We have no idea what his demands are money wise, rosters spots etc..... It is all rumor. he is a oung, tall RH Dman. Has plenty fo room to get into the 210-220 pound range. Let's just sign him and be happy, then move onto the next guy.

Not the point. The point is s*** happens during a hcokey game. be it by your team or against your team. period. It doesn't matter if it is a goon or a skill guy, it happens. For some to pretend that it doesn't, and act like they are offended by it is just silly and naive. if we could get Weber, we would take him. period. Be a lot better team for doing it as well.

No. The point is, it is a cheap shot. Not the the holier than thou Wings would ever do this type of thing...... man, some of you need a real dose of reality, and quick! Clark was another one.....

When i joined this forum a month ago, i said right up front that i thought the Wings needed to find 8-10 new players over the next 2 off seasons. well Holland is now publicly talking about adding 5 new guys this year alone. That is the public comments. private could be even higher. The next year we could have another 4-5 openings. White, Cleary, Filppula, and Howard are all UFA's next season. Howard of course will/should be back. Same with Fillppula. others can go if we upgrade. But bringing things back to this offseason. There are only 2 real openings on the team currently. As of today we have the following forwards: Dat, Z, Franzen, Burt, Filppula, Abby, Helm, Cleary, Emmerton, maursk, Miller, Eaves, and Nyquist. That is 13 total. On D we have: Kronwall, Quincey, E, White, Smith, and Kindl. That is 6. At G we have Howard and McDonald. That is 2. So as of today, we are 1 forward short and 1 Dman short. This is where things get interesting. Holland is talking a top 6 forward, a bottom 6 forward, an offensive Dman, a solid tough Dman, and a backup goalie. We are not going to sign 5 UFA's. So who goes and who stays? Well 3 gus have no trade clauses per capgeek: dat, E, and Burt. So we know they will be here. But past that, we can see hundreds of possible options. from the really good to the really bad. we also have money to spend. 25 million right now. depending on trades made that could go up or down. Now some opinions. I know you all could hardly wait......LOL I expect 2 of the 5 moves that Holland is talking about coming via FA. Top D and backup G. There are several options at each of those spots. For a high scoring forward there is only one real option, that is Parise. But what if we don't get him? Do we have the pieces to trade and get a high scoring forward? Not sure on that, without moving another major piece and creating another hole. But this is were Holland will make or break this offseason. There are several very good young forwards that are in the last season of their contracts. Clarkson, Perry, Staal, Getzlev (spelling), Horton if healthy, Purcell, etc........ Many possible options can come to mind, but all costs a lot to make happen. Like I said, going to be very interesting......

You mean like when Premeau used to hit guys in the head with his stick while sitting on the bench? Point is, this stuff happens, always will happen, and I don't care. I still want the best players on my team that we can get. Weber is one of the, if not the best Dman in the NHL right now. I would welcome him with open arms! I would also be willing to bet, so would Zetterberg, Holland, and babcock.

yes you add 10 million for those 2, but you subtract 7 million ish for franzen, Helm, and Kindl. So if we have 25 million to spend, we only used up 3 million, leaving 22 to add more..... many of us, myself included only look at 1 move by itself. That is a mistake. heck Holland opnely admits to making 4+ moves: 1 or 2 Dmen, a backup goalie, proven goal scorer, and girtty big physical forward for the bottom 2 lines.

I understand the minutes playing in the minors are better than sitting the bench in the NHL. But if he so good, then why would he be sitting? The fact still remains, he was not one of our best 6 Dman last year. if he was, he would have played. Its not like we had 6 future HOFers out there on D.

One other thing. The author of this little piece makes 1 very big mistake. he assumes that all big guys are slow and lack skill. Which of course is clearly not the case, nor has it been the case for about 25 years now.....

That will take around 11 million to do. Add in the signing of Abby and Helm, you are running out of money fast. Also Suter is another LH D.

But, and this is the key part. There are no sure things in FA. Currently with the cap at 70 million, there are 23 teams with 15+ million to spend. So there is going to be a bidding war, and there is a bunch of risk. if Suter and/or parise sign elsewhere we are going backwards.

The real question with Schultz is, who does he help us get/prevent us from getting. If we say have 8 million to improve our D, do we spend all of it on Suter or trade for Green and sign schultz. Just as an example. or sign garrison/carle/widemen and sign schultz. Signing a guy like Schultz by itself doesn't really help today. 2013 maybe. 2014 definatly. But that is were long term planning comes in. right now we only have 1 Rh D-white. This does hamper us in the breakout. far more than most would like to admit. We are also loaded with LH D: Kronwall, E, Quincey, Smith, and Kindl. Singing a schultz and then picking up a Green or Widemen gives us prefect balance on the blueline. Kronwall and Widemen E and White Smith and Schultz Kindl as the 7th This then allows us to either let Quincey walk this year for picks, or to be traded for other needs.

Hmmm check again. laich over the past 5 seasons has been very consistant. 4 seasons of 82 games, 1 of 78 game. 5 years ago he had 37 points. then a 59 point, 53 point, 48 point and 41 point. Star? No. solid 3 line C? yes. But Green and laich together are good for 50+ goals if they both play 75+ games. Franzen, helm and kindl will never score that many.

if he was so good, then why didn't he stay the full year? Again, he didn't beat anyone out. in fact we went out and picked up Quincey while Smith was healthy in GR. That is the point. Yes he has talent. But last season he wasn't able to take a job from Stuart, Kindl, E, White, Quincey, etc...... He did manage to beat out Commadore......