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More like people don't think he's as bad as haters like you do.

Yep you missed the point. Think abstractly not concretely.

Sure. AA will be protected. -------------- My prediction is: Zetterberg, Nielsen (NMC), AA, Mantha, Nyquist, Tatar, Abdekader Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser/Jensen Mrazek

Why? He seems to like AA.

You missed the point as usual.

He weighed 165 pounds and is currently 195 pounds and has been around that weight for nearly a decade. So he gained 30 pounds after he came to the franchise. Zetterberg was 176 and now weighs 197. Datsyuk was 180 and now at 195. What's the issue with drafting a light weight 18 year old again? It's not impossible to gain muscle weight. Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall and a crap ton of our players gained 20-30 pounds after they were drafted. Ya'll think Arnold Schwarzenegger came out of his mom looking like this? Look how skinny Arnold was:

Same reason you wanted Daryl Sutter in the other thread. Something about track record but ignoring the last year entirely.

Nobody wants to go out s***tily. I presume Kronwall wants to prove he's still got it. Maybe he'll be better next year with reduced minutes and a puck moving partner (Jensen?)

Lol the Red Wings downfall is really causing some deep anger and frustration.

No twisting. Call it subjective or whatever but he can't/isn't playing. Due to his severe injury history. Kronwall's situation isn't similar to the one example your pointed out, objectively speaking. I'd say PVD's example was closer to it with Ohlund. Really reaching with the "several examples" phrase. The league won't tell him your "suffering isn't enough". Stop making it out as if I'm saying the league is going to corner him; evidently you don't realize your way of twisting arguments either, it's subtle but it's there. Kronwall has options. Not getting paid and retiring, bought out. It's been done before. LTIR for him is a grey area as opposed to some of the more severely injured players. It was a grey area for Ohlund and Robidas too. If it wasn't, we and the hockey press wouldn't have spoken of it that way. You're banking your argument on the fact that a couple of players got away with the loophole, so Kronwall has a right to it as well. Even if said players went on LTIR, it doesn't mean the situation wasn't questionable or future situations may end up becoming something that are questionable or risky. IMO this situation would be tricky from the franchise's stand point. It likely won't be a straight shot decision (like you seem to be making it out to be), they would likely have to seriously consider if there would be any backlash for attempting the LTIR. Besides, news today from Kronwall says he's not looking into retirement at all. So that settles that for now. As I've said he's going to do everything in his power to finish that contract.

Careful, remember last year when people we're talking s*** about Zetterberg and calling him "Washed-up" and calling for his head with a guillotine? And what did Zetterberg do this season? Let's give Kronwall a chance, next season. Personally I thought Kronwall was doing pretty well the last two months or so.

FYI this is Holland's last contract year. He should technically be getting an extension this summer. If he doesn't it could potentially mean this is the one and only year they are giving him a chance. So to all the Holland haters, relax, he might not be around forever as you may presume. Maybe Chris Illitch is pulling a PR stunt and not much for panic. Maybe not giving Holland an extension could end up being an indirect way of saying "you've got a year to show us something". I would wait to see till the end of the summer.

From Holland's latest interviews it seems Blashill will stay.

We don't need Lombardi, he's not an upgrade over Holland. Sutter is a great coach though and I like him. To throw a curveball at everyone though. People talk about how Blashill is a bad coach because he can't get the best out of his players. That's basically the issue Sutter had this year with the Kings too btw.

Always figured it would be "The Incredibles"

Didn't Holland recently say nobody is untouchable?

One day 3 of those jerseys will be on the rafters next to each other at LCA

Boy there's more speculation in your post than all of mine combined. Use of semantics here to outwit an argument lol. You know exactly what I mean when I'm talking about Franzen/Pronger. Franzen can't play hockey in the NHL at the NHL level. Not anymore. Neither can Pronger. I would read up on Traumatic Brain Injuries; assuming Franzen has a moderate-severe type he likely gets dizzy after a few minutes of extreme on ice work. I'm not sure what your perception of dizziness is but being dizzy while skating would render the player impossible to play. In a way the dizziness IS a force field. https://redwingsfront.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/franzen-i-still-get-dizzy-and-headaches-its-motion-triggered/ Franzen: “I still get dizzy and headaches. It’s motion triggered.” http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/04/15/detroit-red-wings-johan-franzen-head-injury/25853131/ "For two months, not being able to pick up your kids, or play with your kids, for more than 2 minutes — it makes you think a little bit. I was in a really dark place" By the way for future reference, I would err to the side of caution to assume that just because some people with TBI's are not physically paralyzed (i.e hands and feet and body can move by your definition and misperception), doesn't mean they are actually capable of living normal lives and perform normal activity. That's a very ignorant way of looking at things. One could argue that TBI can cause a form of neuropsychiatric paralysis in people's thought content and process. (i.e many have committed suicide and suffer from disinhibition from rational thinking). The other point is, even with his hands and feet working perfectly fine, he wasn't able to pick his kids up for more than 2 minutes, in a way THAT IS paralysis. Also I'm surprised it took you this long to figure out but I am drawing a line between the severity of an injury between different players. There's the Prongers/Franzen's and there's the Kronwalls. He's not going to LTIR after 55 games of playing and telling the media his knee has been better. The only way he LTIR's is if the knee actually got worse to the point where he literally can't skate anymore or he has to undergo surgery (it's most likely a knee-replacement) which would prevent him to play again.

So wait, you actually believe that because he was able to play 52 games after breaking/fracturing his leg twice, his leg was no longer an issue? And he was just "not up to playing anymore"? Now you're really reaching here. Since we're speculating, I say he quit playing because of the same leg being prone to injury/issues, maybe even avoiding another fracture. "Maple Leafs defenceman Stephane Robidas may also be facing a harsh reality. The 38 year old has been hampered by soreness in his leg and groin, the same leg he's broken twice during his career. Always the gamer, Robidas intends on continuing to try and get healthy over the next few weeks. However, if the leg doesn't respond, he plans on re-evaluating his future." Once again, broken leg =/= wear and tear on the knee. With a broken leg you can't play hockey. Period. The leg is prone to further issues, possibly even another fracture. In Kronwall's case he can play hockey. It's weather or not he wants to. I don't think Robidas had much of a choice is that same leg was acting up again. Who the hell wants to sit another 2 months with another possible fractured leg. At least in Kronwall's case he can rest his knee, take some steroid shots and strengthen his muscles to have better support on the joint (which is probably where the pain is). And from what we're been told that's exactly what he did. "It was determined after the season that surgery wouldn't solve the problem, which is years of wear and tear. He needs to strengthen the muscles, and for that he needs aggressive training as well as ample rest." http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/09/red_wings_niklas_kronwall_impr.html Lol, it's funny you point out Oregon Trail Worst case scenario but then do the same in your own post. The NHL could have certain players retire instead of use the LTIR loop hole. I mean if you can't play or work by choice you shouldn't be getting paid as if you are right? Right??? If not then I'm in the wrong line of work!!! Fact of the matter is guys like Franzen and Pronger can't play even if they wanted to. Lupul can't play with an abdominal sports hernia. Kronwall has a choice. His knee doesn't prevent him from playing, it's the pain that does (he obviously skated on it for 55 games). And as much as you want to pretend Robidas' situation is similar to Kronwall's (it's not), we don't actually know why he retired other than the fact that his same previously broken leg was causing issues again in addition to his groin.

Right. Also it seems like Holland is giving Kronwall the choice? Like "if you want to stay on the books and play as much as you can then go ahead" So it really is upto Kronwall? If so i can see him play on and off next year too

You nailed it. If he does surgery that's perfect way to get on the LTIR eventually. Happened to Ohlund.

He won't. The Swedes are too loyal. He'll probably take it day by day like he did this season and screw his knee until he literally can't skate anymore. Get the surgery done and get hired as a scout. I'm not being sarcastic either, I think he'll try to ride it out as long as he can. And judging by how he played 55 games so far I'm assuming with the nice rest he's about to get this summer he should theoretically be back for next season. He'll be here next season. So the convo in Holland's office this summer won't be much. (which I think is what struck up this discussion). But crazier things have happened, maybe they'll try the LTIR this summer, it would be super shady though IMO.

It can be more life-threatning depending on where/how it's broken. But that's another discussion. You are underestimating what a broken leg can do for a hockey player vs. a knee issue that can be fixed with surgery. You can't play with a broken leg or a sports hernia. And in Kronwall's case (whatever it is - mentioned wear and tear) he's obviously able to play through it. He's already said his main issue is playing through the pain. Certainly Kronwall has some sort of a case for LTIR. But it's a huge grey area for him whereas with the others on that list, not so much.

Good point about Ohlund but if I'm not mistaken he actually had a partial knee replacement. Usually those surgeries mean no more hockey. That's probably why Kronwall doesn't want surgery. My assumption is that the doctors told him the choice of surgery is a knee replacement which means no more hockey and that's why Kronwall didn't want to have the surgery done.