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Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
kickazz replied to kickazz's topic in General
And apparently Wayne Gretzky - aka "The Great One" saw Zetterberg in a different way than some of us as well. An article from about 3 years ago. http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=653805 “I think Zetterberg is the best player in the game (at his age),” Gretzky told NHL.com. “He’s been so physically beat up from the Stanley Cup playoffs, Olympics – all that goes with that – but he’s just very special.” Gretzky, the NHL’s all-time leading scorer, then took his admiration for Zetterberg to another level by saying, “I think he’s the best Swedish player they’ve ever put into the National Hockey League, and there has been a lot of great ones, from (Borje) Salming to (Nicklas) Lidstrom.” -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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http://octopusthrower.com/2014/01/15/henrik-zetterberg-pavel-datsyuk-olympic-captains/http://octopusthrower.com/2014/01/15/henrik-zetterberg-pavel-datsyuk-olympic-captains/ Everyone talks about how Datsyuk and especially Zetterberg aren't generational talent. But when Datsyuk is chosen over Alexander Ovechkin and Evgeny Malkin as the Team Russia Captain and when Zetterberg is chosen over Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin and Daniel Alfredsson to be Team Sweden's Olympic Captain - it makes me wonder what others in this world really think of these two. Probably more highly than some of us here -
For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o
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But even Larkin played 1 year in Michigan before he came here. I wonder when the last time we actually had a 1st round pick play the first year? Martin Lapointe? Keith Primeau? -
For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o
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No he wouldn't have been NHL ready this season because this is the Detroit Red Wings and they don't let prospects play in their first year. Both Chych and Chowloski (they guy we picked) wouldn't have made the roster. -
Lol agreed. Red Wings over everybody.
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Lol did you even read my comment. I knew you weren't talking about a 30 hour flight. I was clarifying to them that you probably meant 30 hours by drive.
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Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Lmao! -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put Yzerman down in anyway. I'm just saying that a lot of NHL bigshots and fans around the world didn't consider Yzerman to be the best. They were into Gretzky, Messier, Lemieux. At least that's how I understand it. Similarly a lot of fans and press was always more into Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin rather than Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Maybe you could say in a way these guys were overlooked or underrated at times. To me personally, watching Yzerman.. he got more and more popular to me as the years went by. The double OT goal in 96 was the moment Yzerman became by favorite player ever. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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I'll give you guys another way of looking at the situation. The Detroit Red Wings organization has been in existence since 1926. It's been 90 years since this team existed. In the 90 years there have been 909 different players that played on this team. 909 different players. Of all those players that played, Sergei Fedorov, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg are ranked number 5, 6 and 7 on all time top scoring list. Numbers 1-4 on the list have had their numbers retired. Number 5 on the list used to be Ted Lindsay who was surpassed by all of Zetterberg, Dats and Feds. Lindsay is now ranked 9. In my opinion, 5, 6 and 7 need to be retired as well. Number 5, 6, 7 out of 900 or so players. That is an incredible thing. They have all set high standards. They are all Red Wing legends. This is not even taking into consideration that Datsyuk and Zetterberg played in an era where scoring is much harder than it used to be with all these giant goalie pads and monster sized defenseman. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Shocky does have a point. Yzerman was never considered the best player, not even top 3 in his position. Gretzky, Lemieux and Messier overshadowed him for a long long time. -
That still doesn't explain a 30 hour flight assumption . Apparently Datsyuk doesn't mind trains https://twitter.com/Datsyuk13/status/619505838001135616
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Oh yeah you're right. 2 hour time difference. Btw
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Not sure? To test out his new BMW ? See the country side. Idk if you're looking for an actual answer but the point of my original post was his reference to the driving time between St. Petersburgh and Datsyuk's hometown which is 32 hours. For some reason you thought he was talking about a 30 hour flight. Idk where you got 30 hour flight time from btw lol. Datsyuk's new team is about 6 hours away from his hometown by flight and 32 hours by drive.
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Probably. I mean he's definitely in a way better position now to see his daughter than when he was living here. But I truly don't believe daughter was his primary reason to leave like a lot of people may think. The guy left because he was tired of playing here and wanted to play with a good Russian team and win a championship there. Which is fine by me. I'd do the same probably.
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He probably means driving 30 hours. (It's a 32 hour drive to his daughter Lefty get it right) Datsyuk is still pretty far from his daughter but obviously not as far as Detroit was. He could have chosen to play with a crappy team and lived with his daughter but instead he chose to play for the best team in the KHL and still live a good 32 hour drive away from the daughter This is basically like someone playing for the Pittsburgh Penguins but their daughter living in Anaheim. Instead of joining the Anaheim Ducks and living at home he went with the Penguins.
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Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Yeah I think the two most important reasons the Wings won the 08 cup was Zetterberg and Osgood. It's close between the two who was more important but ultimately I think Zetterberg was judged as most important (and won the Conn Smythe) because not only did he shutdown Crosby and Malkin and their offense on the penalty kills but he also broke the Red Wings franchise record for points in a playoff season with 27 points. He also broke the record for goals scored in the playoffs with 13 goals. Not even Yzerman or Fedorov were able to reach that feat even though they played with the better teams. Osgood was our defense but Zetterberg was our offense and our defense combined. That's not to say Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Franzen weren't important. But Z and Ozzy were definitely the bigger parts of the whole. Had we won the 2009 cup, Osgood would have gotten the Conn Smythe for sure. It would have been between him and Zetterberg again but I think the 2nd time around they would have given it to Osgood. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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If anything your argument makes me want to think his number shouldn't be retired. Basically what you're telling us is that Fedorov faced adversity and wanted things to be done on his own time. Then you're saying the team made a contract offer and when he didn't give a definite answer they offered him the same exact contract but for one less year and then Fedorov decided to walk away from that? He wanted to walk away from being a life long Red Wing? If that's the case then why should the Red Wings return him the favor and retire his number? Clearly he didn't want to do us the favor of being a Red Wing. Retiring a player's number is about being a Red Wing and clearly it sounds like Fedorov walked away from being a Red Wing because he got offered a contract for 1 less year??? Boo freaking hoo what a cry baby! It sounds to me like these are arguments as to why his number SHOULD NOT be retired. Again I'm not saying his number shouldn't be retired. But if you are going to try to spin the contract story and try to blame the organization for it then it really isn't working in your favor here lol. Fedorov walked away. It wasn't the other way around. Lidstrom did not walk away from us and neither did Yzerman and any team would have loved to have either of those two. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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I will say that of the four people listed here 3 were involved in contract drama (Osgood, Fedorov and Datsyuk). In terms of being a "True Red Wing", Zetterberg probably is likely the most loyal one. He lacks in individual hardware though. Doesn't have 3 Selke's and 4 Lady Byngs nor does he have a Hart Trophy and only has 1 Stanley cup. -
Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread
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https://www.nhl.com/news/maple-leafs-seeking-experienced-backup-goalie/c-281149832 Do they want Howard -
Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread
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Neither are available. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Winning a Conn Smythe is probably one of the best feats a player can accomplish next to the Hart Trophy. Winning a Conn Smythe means that you were the main reason (but not only reason) the team was able to win the Stanley Cup. If I was an NHL player my dream would probably be to win a Hart Trophy or knowing that I was the most valuable person on a team that won the Stanley cup. If I had a choice of winning only 1 Hart Trophy or only 1 Conn Smythe trophy or winning 5 Selke Trophys. I'd pick Hart or Conn Smythe every single time. -
Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread
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So who would be a good replacement for Ken Holland in your opinion? -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
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Fair enough, I respect that. How do you feel about #13 and #40? -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
kickazz replied to kickazz's topic in General
I'll add another point. Terry Sawchuck's #1 and Alex Delvecchio's #10 were worn by other players for another 20 years after they retired from hockey. Ted Lindsay's #7 and Abel's #12 were worn by other players for more than 30 years. In the time that Fedorov left the Red Wings we've had Brad Richards who was not allowed to wear #91. -
Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion
kickazz replied to kickazz's topic in General
Like I said in an earlier post. Abel, Delvecchio, Lindsay and Sawchuck's numbers weren't retired about 30-40 years after they stopped playing. He'll get into Hall of Fame for sure. It will take some time though or it will be a bit of a weaker Hall of Fame class where he will stand out moreso than other players who are eligable that year.