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I will also add that although there might not be a correlation. Between his early struggles and later production Datsyuk worked on his strength and conditioning and went from about 178 lbs to 195 lbs. Nyquist gets swatted like a fly. So maybe he should work on getting stronger so he can create his own space like D and Z learned to. The whole Tyler Johnson strategy doesn't work for everyone.

Even if you entirely ignored his rookie season he still struggled until his 5th season in the NHL. In his rookie year he played with Brett Hull. He had PP time in the rookie season as well. 11 PP points in the season and 1 PP goal in playoffs.

It's cause the swedish mafia tells him... NO! Apparently he acknowledges it for certain things. But doesn't look like the org is even close to transitioning to it fully. http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2015/10/20/9573483/jeff-blashill-acknowledges-tracking-use-zone-time-red-wings-analytics

Lollll. Hey man you're the one who made certain points. I just joined into the discussion ya'll were having. Didn't realize it would get to you that bad (to the point of saying Gustav Nyquist 6 times in one sentence!). Must have mistook this for a forum discussion. Doh! Alright alright lets steer it back to world championships then.

Never stated Nyquist was a good playoff scorer. I've pointed out ad nauseum that he's a terrible playoff scorer just like Datsyuk was his first 4 seasons. You're the one who brought up Datsyuk and compared him to Nyquist at age 26 and stated he scored 3 times as much. (Which was a very limited comparison seeing as though Datsyuk had 40+ playoff games under his belt by then). I simply decided to expand the comparison to show the first 35 ish games of each player which obviously refuted the point. I.e in reality they were both terrible in their first 35 or so games. That was my main point anyway. Then you went on to say Nyquist was "an even worse secondary scorer than Datsyuk" when in reality Datsyuk was considered a primary scorer by his 2nd year playing with a hall of fame goal scorer and by those standards fell far below expectations than Nyquist currently has. Tl;dr Datsyuk wasn't a good comparison factor imo. Nyquist is a terrible playoff scorer. But so was Datsyuk in the same amount of games played. Your other comparisons were good.

Hopefully Tampa wins. Then Tampa loses to Dallas (who I hope beats St. Louis).

Does this mean Ovie will demand a trade?!!?!?!?

There are a few flaws in your argument though. 1. Datsyuk was a primary scorer while Nyquist was a secondary scorer. So comparatively Datsyuk was just as bad (if not worse than Nyquist). 2. Nyquist's quality of teammates are worse than Datsyuk (who primarily played with Brett Hull and Henrik Zetterberg). Datsyuk also averaged about 3+ minutes more ice time in his 2nd seasons and beyond in the playoffs 3. Datsyuk's first good playoff year was after his first 41 playoff games. Nyquist has only played 35 playoff games. And then you're using hindsight bias to confirm that Datsyuk figured it out. Even though it took him a looooong time to figure it out. And at the time we were all saying exactly what we are saying of Nyquist. The narrative then for about 4 years in a row was "Pavel Datsyuk is not cut out for the playoffs". Easier to look back in hindsight tho.. But you aren't open to the idea that Nyquist might be a late bloomer as well? I mean sure he might not pan out... maybe Nyquist will never figure it out. But seeing as how Datsyuk took 41 games to figure out, and knowing Nyquist has played about 35 games so far, I think we can at least give Nyquist another 6+ games to see if he finds his mojo. But hey I'm open to the idea of trading Nyquist. Especially if it means getting someone who can score in the playoffs (Kyle Okoposo)

I believe Jeff Blashill uses modern analytics? Although I don't know how much it weighs in on his decisions.

Lmao the Datsyuk trade for Scott Gomez. Thank god that never went through.

So I did some digging. Gustav Nyquist 35 playoff games played : 4 goals 4 assists = 8 points. Considered a secondary scorer Pavel Datsyuk in his first 37 playoff games played : 3 goals 9 assists = 12 points. Considered a primary scorer by his second season. Opinions? My opinion is that I know Datsyuk was heavily criticized in his first 4 NHL seasons because of his poor playoff performance. I'm starting to think it's a similar situation with Gus. Pav was a late bloomer. Gus might be as well.

Looks like the next assistant they hire will have to have "former NHL head coach" on his resume. Blashill noted a desire that the next new assistant have the kind of bench-management wisdom that comes from having been an NHL head coach. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/05/10/detroit-red-wings-doug-houda/84186236/

If we signed Todd Bertuzzi I really don't get what the argument is against signing Radulov. Bertuzzi paralyzed a guy and ruined his health for the rest of his life. Moore still suffers from headaches and lightheadedness everyday.

All I'm saying is the Wings squad was pretty disappointing for their respective ages and performances this playoffs. 25 year old Nyquist should have scored more. 37 year old Datsyuk should have had atleast one or two points instead of 0. Zetterberg should have done more than take wide angle shots. By no means does anyone get a pass. So many issues and not all of it is on the players btw, a lot of it was coaching and over usage and under usage of certain players. But anyways we've discussed this a million times. But yeah multitude of factors why they're doing better in the championships. Lesser competition would be one thing.

How come Datsyuk is tearing it up in the World Championships but had 0 points in 5 playoff games for the Red Wings??? Hmmmmmm??? Old man Datsyuk sure can perform well when it comes to Russia! See what I did there? Just swapped a name. Literally. We could take the situation at face value and realize the entire Wings squad was terrible in the playoffs. And realize that those same players are doing well for their respective national teams. Datsyuk 3 points in 3 games for Russia Nyquist 2 goals in 3 games including a game winner for Sweden Both of them (and everyone else) were "ghosts" in the playoffs.

Boston's defense coach for the last 10 years basically. Lol I see what you did there.

For the other assistant role: "They are expected to talk to Todd Richards when he returns from the World Championship, where he is the head coach for Team USA." http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/05/doug_houda_fills_one_of_red_wi.html

Woot called it! I love this. Boston was one of the best defensive/possession teams for this half of the decade. Hopefully this pans out!

I like the playoff format. Almost every series has been exciting from the get go. We're only in round 2... Preds OT goal was insane

Fair enough. But the difference between Blash and Babcock is that Babcock was into the league for 10 years and not much was getting done while Blash was here for 1 year so far. Blash has room to get better and better. Hopefully he does.

Doug Houda for defense maybe. He was assistant for Boston. From what I remember couple years ago Boston had the best possession metrics under him and their defense really thrived.

Not a good comparison due to difference in players. Darsyuk played with multiple hall of famers.

Datsyuk criticizes offense, praises Radulov. Datsyuk told Lysenkov that offense was the main issue this season: "Our attack was messed up the whole season. We had to strengthen it. And this problem got in the way of the Stanley Cup." He endorsed Alexander Radulov, saying he "would strengthen any attack." http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/05/pavel_datsyuk_talks_red_wings.html

Free press reported that Grand Rapids goalie coach might be a candidate