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About WingedWheel91

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  1. The only way we should re-build is through the draft. We lack high-end talent, and we like high-end prospects. This is the result of managing a team with the goal of making the playoffs every year, and refusing to take 1 step back to take 2 steps forward. I literally cringe when we sign a Brad Richards or a Tomas Vanek, because I know those players were Holland's last piece - of a 1 piece away team - from making the playoffs, not winning the cup. The type of re-build I think we are looking at involves several years, and by the time you have to pay any of those players any significant money - most of our bad contracts will be gone. Disagree with a rebuild? In 5 years from now, what franchise talent will we have on this team? Is Dylan Larkin that guy - I don't know. Mrazek could be, but are any of our defencemen? Probably not. Who cares about "the streak" when all of our energy is spent on extending it?
  2. If your argument is that these players are not good, how does being on the team a few more years interfere with our plan to build a contender the right way (draft)?
  3. Last change. You're 4th line is always less effective on the road because they can't get their matchups. Don't you remember losing a playoff series in 2015 primarily because our (4th line, terrible at hockey, brutal corsi) center went down with an injury in game 4 - which directly lead to the emergence of the line he had completely shut down to that point in that game, as well as the entire home game previous? It's extremely hard to argue that Glendenning's injury didn't cost us that game, and collaterally a 3-1 series lead. Everyone likes to throw numbers around, but I can't remember losing a player who was truly above replacement in a while. Even if you argue that Pulkinnen isn't a great player (which he certainly is not), but might have been a great trade chip - well that's to assume that Holland hasn't been trying to trade him for 2 years? Who knows what his value was or if anyone was willing to take him in a trade - knowing they would face this same scenario we did. All in all, the Landon Ferraro, Teemu Pulkinnen and Anrej Nestrasil's of the world are at the very least replaceable in every draft class, and hold little value as trade chips - because teams know they can probably find equal talent at the end of each year. The point I'm making is that our 4th line will certainly not be our problem this year - and none of Frk, Pulkinnen, Ferrarro, Jurco, or Mantha would have been our savior since none of those guys play respectable defence at the NHL level... Something we truly lack. Trouba better be on his way.
  4. It's funny how much emphasis is placed on our 4th lines Corsi % in a road game, which should have taught almost anyone with a functional hockey mind that our defence is the biggest problem we have... what a joke. Our team will not make the post-season with that top 6, even when you subtract Oulette for Kronwall. Petr Mrazek may have played the best 5 GA game ever witnessed.
  5. Draper in his prime was a 30-40 Point Per Season player. In perspective, last season we didn't have a single player who scored over 50 points. The point is that Draper was not a typical 4th line player in 1997-98, but played that low on our team because of the depth we had at forward ahead of him - which would be financially impossible to replicate in today's NHL.
  6. While I agree that analytics are an integral part of building a contending team, it can very difficult to apply them to 4th line players. For Instance, Drew Miller isn't on this roster to score goals or drive possession, nor would most consider him to be a "gritty" player. He kills penalties and blocks shots better than almost anyone else we have... so he makes this team as a 4th line winger. I haven't looked myself but I'll take your word that Glendenning and Ott rank amongst the worst players in CA/60, but they are also 4th line players who are historically charged with individual matchups/defensive zone faceoffs/to provide energy and/or penalty killing. I don't know if you remember, but when Luke Glendenning got injured in the 2015 Playoffs (Round 1/Game 4) against Tampa, we had a 2-0 lead in the game (with a 2-1 lead in the series), and then the entire momentum shifted. Our 4th line (anchored by Glendenning) had dominated our home matchups against "the kid line" and when he went down in that 3rd period, Tyler Johnson took over the game and finished 2 G AND 1 assist (including the OT winner on a 2 on1) to tie the series. I have no idea what Glendenning's CA/60 would have shown up to that point - but I am sure that his injury cost us that series.
  7. In a weird way - your buddy Brendan Smith may actually be the saviour here. He would probably fit well on a pairing with Tyler Myers, and his advanced stats show that he is developing nicely. If you could start with Smith, throw in Oulette and Bertuzi/Svechnikov + a 2nd, I really don't see WPG balking at that offer - and we could afford it. Sign him for 6 X 5,250,000 (Same ballpark as Rielly, Seth Jones, Dougie Hamilton) and you have your future top pairing in DK - TROUBA for the next 10 years.
  8. Although I've long been an advocate for trading for Jacob Trouba the past year or so, the harsh reality remains: Ken Holland is our GM, and Ken Holland doesn't overpay for impact players. No, I don't consider David Legwand or Erik Cole (at the time we acquired them as pending UFA's) impact type players - and although the price was steep, the return for those two players won't be in the same ballpark as what Trouba will command. Just to ruin everyone's Tuesday - which is for some reason the worst day of the week anyway...Take a look at the most recent trades involving an impact Right Handed Defencemen - and what the return was: June 29th - PK SUBBAN - Cost NSH Shea Weber. June 29th - SHEA WEBER - Cost MTL PK Subban. June 29th - ADAM LARSSON - Cost EDM Taylor Hall. May 2th - ERIK GUDBRANSON - Cost VAN Jared Mccann, The 38th overall pick, and the 94th overall pick in 2016. Jan 6h - SETH JONES - Cost CBJ Ryan Johansen. June 26th (2015) - DOUGIE HAMILTON - Cost CGY The 15th overall. 45th overall, and 52nd overall picks in 2015. The early reports out of Winnipeg suggest the Jets are looking for a young, slightly less valuable, left handed version of Trouba to pair with Myers or Buff... Which means we likely have to include Dekeyser in a package that would also require prospects, maybe scoring depth. Forget about Kronwall, Ericsson, Marchenko or Green as these players don't line up with what WPG is looking for... and unfortunately, given the market value of RHD, I don't think the cost of this trade is ultimately what Ken Holland is looking for either. Pipe Dream: Smith (because Advanced Stats), Nyquist (Because he's the slightly worse/more expensive version of Tatar), Oulette (Everyone's favorite throw in) and maybe Svechnikov or a 1st Rounder in 2017... Which is too expensive for us, and probably not even enough for them. Oh well.
  9. This is actually a very logical post that hopefully ends the posts claiming: "OMG it's not 30 hours away people, don't you guys get that airplanes are way faster than cars". Thanks for the helpful insight. So instead of a 30 hour drive in his AvtoVAZ, he's actually only an 8 hour travel commitment away from his daughter - which means his excuse (to walk out on a commitment in which he was contractually obligated to fulfil) that has everyone siding with him, is actually bull$***. Truth be told, he has 2-3 good years of hockey left and probably wants to win something before he's done. He picked a team in Russia that paid him a reasonable base salary (packed with performance based incentives I'm sure) with a good chance to win and never looked back. Who can fault him for doing something he'd rather do, right? Unfortunately that's why multi-million dollar contracts exist... To prevent people from doing something they feel like doing more, because they don't really feel like doing the first thing anymore, that much. Great player, great career - but I stand by what Ive said so many times - he handled his departure worse than any other notable Detroit Red Wing, and shouldn't be recognized much moving forward.
  10. Hindsight is 20/20. I was happy about the Ericsson contract when it was announced, after watching him play on the top pairing with Kronwall the majority of that season. I was also happy about the Weiss, Modano, and Howard (after making an all star team) signings when they happened as well.
  11. Would you rather use Tampa Bay's formula? Miss the playoffs 5/6 seasons from 2008-2013 - stockpile draft picks in those years, compete in 2015 and 2016 (without winning anything) and then face Stamkos, Kucherov, and Killorn in free agency that summer, and then Bishop, Hedman, Johnson, Palat, Drouin, and Sustr the next? I'm not saying Yzerman hasn't done a fantastic job retaining his core players so far (as Stamkos stayed for alot less money) - but in Detroit we don't have the tax benefits they do in Florida, and you can bet that TB will soon be a cap team without some of the names I just mentioned. That's the reality of making the playoffs 25 consecutive years in a salary cap system.
  12. Almost the same contract that Brian Rafalski got... Which is fitting, because this contract will look a lot better when we trade for a #1 Defenceman and pair them together.
  13. That depends on what your definition of valuable is. Vanek's skillset prevents him from playing in the bottom 6... So if he puts up 15-20 goals from the 1st or 2nd line, I don't know that he's even as valuable as Daren Helm who may put up 10-15 from the 3rd line, but also kill penalties at an 84-88% clip.
  14. It's true LeftWinger - I didn't necessarily like the 5 year term either, but Darren Helm is an extremely valuable forward that creates roster flexibility unlike anyone else. He is our best penalty killer plus our best (or second best) forechecker. He has been useful on the first line, and he's obviously been great on the 4th line. Having forwards like this is invaluable, especially in the playoffs when you win or lose games after you win or lose individual matchups. This undeniably happened against Tampa Bay in 2015 (who went to game 6 of the Finals) when Luke Glendenning got hurt and missed the last two periods of game 4, after completely suppressing the "kid line" to that point entirely. I truly believe the legend of Tyler Johnson may have never been a thing if not for that injury. Daren Helm has that ability plus more to offer offensively. Would I like him more at $2,950,000? Of course. But that isn't the math or the question that matters... It was widely reported that he took a hometown discount and had offers over $4,000,000 to leave - so we made it up on term. If the question to me is you can have Helm at $3.85 or no Helm, I take what I know considering I just lost my best player who was also a Center. So if the "number" everyone seems comfortable with (which basically equates to the difference of a league min contract) isn't that big a deal - I can't really accept that one guy is preventing all of Jurco, Mantha, Anthanasiou and Bertuzzi from a job in the NHL.
  15. Well see how Larkin progresses next year - but as of right now, Kucherov sadly would be our best player.