chaps80

Just saw Tatar and Abby’s goals and Mrazek’s stop on Hertl. Hell of a finish!!

Something tells me highlights are worth watching after?

He tends to score those type. Holland better lock him up this offseason.

Shootout. Nielsen gets one probably. The rest who knows.

Same here. Dudes beard is quality too.

Didn’t say you said that. I’m sure I’ve read it around these boards though.

I’d love having Burns on the Wings. He’d probably want to kill the rest of the D though.

Now this we can agree on!

I thought Howard could fetch a second round pick? That was the talk around here fairly recently. Can’t have plummeted that much. Last offer on Mrazek was a fourth.

Could be. But it’s fun to watch right now.

Can always trade Howard...

5 min away from a third shutout in 4 games. Damn Petr, don’t make things any harder on Holland or anything. Actually, please keep it up.

He doesn’t look as good as the score says?

Ohhhh 1-0!

Another start for Petr?? LOL wow!! From morning skatez: Anthony Mantha-Henrik Zetterberg-Gustav Nyquist Tyler Bertuzzi-Dylan Larkin-Andreas Athanasiou (David Booth extra) Darren Helm-Frans Nielsen-Tomas Tatar Martin Frk-Luke Glendening-Justin Abdelkader Jonathan Ericsson-Trevor Daley Niklas Kronwall-Mike Green Danny DeKeyser-Nick Jensen Luke Witkowski-Xavier Ouellet (extras) Petr Mrazek (starting) Jimmy Howard

Again, hypothetical situation. Holland can say "Look, you haven't earned this money. What would you say if i offered you a two year deal at $2 million per year instead of the $4 million for one season? If you want it, it's a done deal." "Or, I won't be tabling any offers at all. On July 1st you are free to explore other options." Even the Players Association couldn't really fault him for that. "You didn't take the qualifier that was never really on the table to play for less money because you hadn't earned it?? What the hell??" "Uhhh, yeah. I like playing hockey and making some money."

Well if you would have read the post of mine you quoted, you'd see that i said i knew i was mistaken before all of this. lol That's exactly what i was trying to explain. Seems like we were in some kind of alternate realm on the last page or so. it's not like "OMG he's owed 4 million bucks and won't get it so we trade him and at least get something or he walks." There's other possibilities.

Didn’t say they should go any way. Like you said, i’m technically correct on him being able to refuse and sign for less. I didn’t say it would happen. There are reasons why it COULD, but your right about the money thing, the union wouldn’t be happy about it. Even though i have heard of teams tabling offers of one year at qualifying amount OR two or three year contracts for lesser salary in each to RFAs, it’s quite rare.

Once again, read the post with the bold part I took from the CBA. I stated I was wrong about him being able to accept then negotiate. It’s right there. Lol And I don’t see the qualifying offer even being on the table at this point, nor do I see renegotiations for less. But, people always have to try to argue. It was a hypothetical situation. Truth is, none of us know anything really. All we can do is speculate. Holland might want to qualify him for one year, especially if he ditches a chunk of cap before that. Or he might say screw it, take a hike.

Read the post of mine you quoted to start this exchange. I said I was mistaken that he could accept then negotiate once I looked into it more. If he accepts the qualifier he’s getting the $4 million. If he refuses, he remains an RFA and both sides are free to negotiate. We can move on now.

I feel that way from this side as well sometimes.

I’m not talking about Mrazek signing any qualifying offer. He can reject it, remain an RFA, and negotiate another deal. It can be for any amount or term. If he signed the qualifier, yes, the team would be on the hook for $4 million. Or if he’s offer sheeted (not happening) and accepts, then Detroit has to match or let him go and take draft picks. Or, like you said, he can choose UFA and Detroit can sign him for less then. It’s all up to Mrazek basically. There are instances where players haven’t earned the set qualifier and deserve less. Just as there are instances where the player has earned the qualifier and deserves the same or more. It has to work both ways, or what’s the point of the RFA status? Both sides have to benefit. His qualifier is a set price if accepted, but it can be rejected and negotiations can then begin. Yes, it’s rare that those result in less money, but the fact is they CAN. If you guys don’t agree with that, I dunno what else to say. Maybe the CBA should stipulate that any deal signed by an RFA has to be for more money if they reject the qualifying offer. But it does not. Loophole?

It’s a very simple concept. If you can look past the fact you don’t want him around anymore that is.

Yes the qualifier is per season. The $2 million per for two was just an example of how things could be negotiated if the Wings want to keep him and he wants to stay. He hasn’t earned the qualifier. If Holland can get him to pass on the qualifier, he’d still be an RFA and he can sign for any amount or term he wants to. If bonuses are for one year deals, that would be a perfect opportunity for him to earn his money. Lower salary plus bonuses for one season. I mean, the guy can’t honestly think he’s worth $4 million at this point and will be qualified. If he walks from Detroit he’s going to get a one year ‘show me’ deal at half that amount at most anywhere else in the league i’d think. Because he’s not worth the money? He won’t get $4 million anywhere else. So he doesn’t get qualified in Detroit, and instead of taking less to stay, he walks and gets less as a UFA anyways. Either choice he makes, he’s not getting that amount of money.

If it was only for players seeking more, i’m sure that would be written into the CBA alongside the RFA negotiation option. I didn’t say he WOULD take a lesser amount, just that it IS POSSIBLE for a player to agree to a lesser amount. $4 million is not locked in if he wants to work out another deal, upwards or downwards. No mental gymnastics there.