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I'm perfectly content to play him as a bottom 6 center/power-play specialist next year. Think it would be a good step up for him.

Kronwall Ready for Next Season Looks like he'll play out the contract and spend next year mentoring the kids. Perhaps this is one of the reasons motivating Holland to avoid FA and bring up more kids next year?

He did draft Rasmussen and Bertuzzi and missed out on Chychrun

Looks like we've come full circle lol Dahlin will probably walk on to whichever team drafts him, maybe that's us. Boqvist, Hronek, and Cholowski are not gonna make the team next year. Sure there's always a chance, but that's a very slim one. The big question is, are you gonna quit the forum again when Holland signs an FA in 2 months?

#1 I believe you when say you watched Daley this season, but I'm not sure you watched or even remember Ryan Sproul. He spent 80% of the season in the minors and only logged 16 minutes a game in the few NHL games he did play, and for good reason. If you're going to measure Dmen by stats per game, you're gonna have a bad time #2 Where the team finishes does not rest on Daley's shoulders. This team is better off with Daley eating big minutes, than it is with upgrading XO and Jensen's ice time. #3 When I refer to a stop gap, I'm suggesting this is a player who probably won't win a cup during his time here. Just because he probably won't win a cup here doesn't mean he's not a block for us to build around. #4 Let's be frank, without Daley XO and Jensen would have received more ice time. Any prospects coming up would be slotted in under them. If you're interested in developing XO and Jensen further, then we will have to agree to disagree. Jensen is not very good and is 28 in September, there's nothing left to develop. And XO is pretty awful and the team was trying to trade him at the deadline. These are the types of players we should be getting rid of, not Daley.

WARNING if you are viewing this at work this post may be inappropriate, and if you have children please cover their eyes. Nobody with that disaster of a tape job belong in any rafters. Totally shameful/irresponsible.

#1 No it did not. Ryan Sproul not being good enough to make this team caused Ryan Sproul to be moved out. Are you honestly suggesting Ryan Sproul is a more valuable player/better Dman than Trevor Daley? I'd like to pin that fact down before I even begin to approach that one. #2 I've explained this in multiple posts now. Feel free to reread. I'm not rehashing everything in every post. #3 Perhaps I used the term building block to loosely? Silly me. I also clearly referred to Daley as a stop gap. Hopefully that description eases you. #4 Yes, I agree, our D is indeed unstable, and removing Daley would make it even more unstable. Are you suggesting you would like an unstable defensive core? To your last point, yes, we can agree on that. In theory, it doesn't make a ton of sense for a rebuilding team to sign veteran complimentary players. Unfortunately, theory often comes up short in a pragmatic sense. These are not just contracts on paper or numbers on a screen. This is a team of men with a culture and a confidence that needs to be massaged, and an enterprise who's primary goal is to make money, not win a cup. If you want to be a purist and go full scorch the earth with this team, prepare for continued disappointment. Holland is going to add pieces he likes if he can get them at a good price. I don't think you'll see any Weiss or Nielsen type deals for the foreseeable future (overpaying to keep the streak alive) but I fully expect that Holland will explore bargain deals like Daley if he sees the opportunity arise. Holland's not just retooling this teams roster, he's rebuilding the culture as well. At the end of day, my original point was that I think you're being completely melodramatic by protesting this board over the Trevor Daley signing. I'll hold to that.

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I agree it has to be a very team friendly deal for me to be cool with it. I'd offer 4 million for 2 years and an NTC probably at most.

On the plus side: Another trade win for this team On the down side: Our talent pool is really being exposed for how weak it is

Agreed. Bright spots: Green, Daley Problem children: Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser Useless: Ouellet, Jensen, Lashoff Kids: Hicketts, Cholowski, Hronek, Sulak Green and Daley were the only two Dmen on this team I was truly pleased with this past season. And I think it speaks volumes that the 2 FA acquisitions are our best Dmen. The Red Wings have either been very unlucky in the draft or can no longer develop D-men to save their lives. But I digress. I think both should be kept on as building blocks for this D-group. Kronwall is nearing the end. If he does continue to play he'll probably see severely reduced ice time again. We can not rely on him or his busted knees to be a building block anymore. Dekeyser and Ericsson are both massively overpaid for what they provide. I'd love to move them out, but were probably just going to have to deal with the both of them for a good while. Don't have much to say about Ouellet, Jensen, and Lashoff. They are the new Kindl, Smith, Marchenko group. Usable, but don't provide any value. THESE are the types of players that should be cut out in favor of a young player like Hicketts or Sulak. So the core I'd like to realistically see going forward: Daley - Green Ericsson - Dekeyser Kronwall - Hicketts With Kronwall transitioning into retirement in the next season or two and Hicketts representing a young player being rotated in. Once Kronwall is gone, we hopefully can successfully rotate a second young player like Cholowski in. If we do successfully rotate two young players into this D over the next 2 or 3 seasons, then at that time we should seriously consider getting rid of Ericsson or Dekeyser as well.

If you didn't want to finish lower, then what's your point? Daley didn't hurt Hicketts or Sprouls development, all those two had to do was beat out XO and Jensen and they couldn't. He's been our 2nd best Dman at a very good price. He's a building block we can use for the next 2 seasons, on a team with zero building blocks at D other than Mike Green. Hicketts and Sproul were never going to eat his level of minutes whether they made the team or not anyway, and Murphy/Morrow wouldn't have fixed the D either. Daley is a stop gap until we can insert better players. Older players are not are not useless assets, even on a rebuilding team. We need to transition our young Dmen on to a D corp with at least some level of stability, with decent players they can learn from and be led by. Your known for inflated opinions because I point them out? Uh sure, sorta. The easy fix their is... idk maybe not over-hyping players? especially ones that suck? Then there would be nothing to point out. Problem solved. Yes everyone wanted XO and Marchenko to succeed and develop into top 4 players. But once they got to the NHL and sucked pretty much 100% of everyone acknowledged that, yup, they suck. How many people have you seen running around the last 2 seasons preaching that XO has been mishandled and just needs more time/development and he will become something? I haven't seen anyone, yet it would be an easy argument to make, the kid is still only 24. But on the other hand, who ran around the past few seasons singing the praises of Smith and Mrazek? I don't get my rocks off on fighting with you. I'd prefer that everyone acknowledge all of XO, Jensen, Marchenko, Smith, Sproul, and Mrazek, aren't very good, and then we can have reasonable discussion on what we do with these players. But unfortunately we always seem to get bogged down in dumb arguments about how Brendan Smith is a top 4 puck mover or our 2nd best Dman isn't needed on the team.

How much lower did you need to finish to be happy? We finished pretty darn low and have decent lottery odds. Daley adds a steady player to what is one of the worst blue lines in the league. I want to rebuild without absolutely destroying the culture and confidence of this team. Thrusting an unready Hicketts into water over his head in a roster of XOs, DDs, Jensens, and crippled Kronwalls is no way to develop a prospect. Daley was a smart cost effective addition. Well the team experts disagrees with your opinion, sorry. They also disagreed with you on Smith and Mrazek. You're becoming known for inflated opinions on young players.

I haven't seen the goofy pants in awhile myself

Both players obeyed the law...... ...... Datsyuk is an outlet for LGWs hateful ways You musta went to college

First Bold: Right, removing our 2nd best Dman wouldn't do a thing... Second Bold: Says who? You? Fact is he didn't make the team, and that's not because of Trevor Daley. All he had to do was beat out players like XO or Jensen if he was so ready. He didn't.

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Again, as I've had to clarify this once already in this thread, Babcock's statements have nothing to do with poaching/contracts/promotions. He simply wants to hire more people.

Yeah, team wants him to come to camp Ads are based on your web traffic I think. Someones been watching Mia Khalifa videos...

Raffi didn't leave his cap hit behind. Datsyuk did.