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I sure hope this works out better than Adam Oates did.

I like his attitude and I totally agree. It will not sit well with players though, it may cause some guys to split. Speaking of, I wonder how the negotiations with Hanifin are going? He still is not signed. BTW, this should also be the same for ticket prices. Lose for years, don't make the playoffs, ticket prices go down or at least do not get raised. Yes, I'm talking to you Iltich.

Jason Zucker just re-signed with the Wild. Similar numbers (he's a tad older) and also coming off an RFA contract. He signed 5yrs. $5.5M AAV. That is something I'd love to see Larkin sign for or 6yrs $5M AAV.

Less or more? I love the reaction though! Made me laugh. I needed it!

It was just interesting info.

Just a quick tidbit on these two. Their actual salary for the upcoming season is: Z - $3.35M, then 2 yrs at $1M each Kronner - $1.75M So, the actual salary being paid is not that much, even if they both went LTIR. BTW, Franzen and his $3.9M cap hit for two more years, his actual salary is only $1M for each year. So he is not coting the wings hardly anything to remain on LTIR. So, in actual salary, these three are only making $5.1M for this season, then it drops to $2M for next season and $1M for a 3rd season. You can see why the team is not even shaking over the possibility of either of those two joining Franzen on LTIR.

That would be great, but in that thread I also advocated pursuing Bobvrosky. I do believe all three would be a tad bit expensive . But ya, if I had to choose 2 of the three, having a top pair of Karlsson and Trouba would be the choice for me! (in 2-3 years) Trouba - Karlsson Cholowski - Hronek Dekeyser - McIsaac I think that would be a very nice 6 D!

That would be great. I guess if I were hoping on that, I wouldn't try to get Karlsson via UFA in 2019 then....decisions, decisions. (there goes my 2019 rebuild plan!)

Oh, that is good to hear! I didn't know that.

...sugue...As mentioned in the 2018 thread AND the Abby thread, let's hope that Larkin gets a fair deal that allows us to be active next July. We have a good amount of Cap coming off the books in 2019. Vanek, Nyquist (maybe re-signed but cheaper,) Z guarantee LTIR, Franzen still LTIR, Kronwall and Howard. Total that is approx: $24M (combined) coming off the books in one way or another. Maybe the Cap increases a few million again as well. But if we can get Larkin signed this year to a team friendly $5M-$5.5M deal, there is a great chance that we could be serious players for Karlsson (if he's UFA) and a hot goalie like Bobvrosky. Ya, he's 29 now, but I think if we can get him for 4 years at around $9M he may be that goalie (along with Karlsson) that we need to take us back to glory within those 4 years. As mentioned in the Abby thread we have a good amount of talented kids up front (plus we'll more than likely be a lottery team again this year) and if we were able to add Karlsson and Bobvrosky (ya that would suck up a ton of cap (probably cap hell) but if we win within 4-5 years, it'd be worth it. Plus within 2 years, Ericsson, Daley and Green's cap will also be gone, replaced by mostly ELC's. This could be a scenario where this tea's rebuild becomes complete.

Had to bump this up due to the re-signing of our RFA's (sans Larkin.) I think Holland has done a pretty good job at getting Mantha and AA (Bertuzzi and Frk as well) signed to team friendly "bridge" deals, lets hope the comments by Larkin ring true and they can get something done that also allows the team to be very active and flexible come next July (which will lead me to the 2019 rebuild thread...segue)

Wouldn't it be a huge curve ball if BOTH Z and Kronner went to LTIR? I am not saying Kronner is close, I haven't read anything to the fact, but man, that would be nuts.

Today, Trouba's signing finally showed up as official on TSN. He is an RFA WITH arbitration rights AGAIN next summer. Someone said something earlier, what is he going to do just keep going a year at a time? If he is not happy with how the Jets are treating him, he needs to request a trade out of there. He wanted $7M, they wanted $4M (insult) and he got the $5.5M, but even, in todays market, is too low for him. I'd gladly be fine with giving him $6.5M for 7 seasons, but it looks like he is gong to just keep this up until he is a UFA and then he won't have but 3-4 good seasons left in him.

That has to be the most stupid trade I've ever seen.

Well, if he is, then we'll have no cap issues and Zadina will be here. I just get that bad vibe though from all these interviews. They all have a negative aura about them...

I don't think he's playing. https://www.tsn.ca/blashill-noncommittal-on-zetterberg-s-status-1.1145599

But we all know a trade is not going to happen. Here is our situation after giving $6M to Larkin, having Rasmussen on the team and having Frk as the 13th FWD and Witko as the 7th D, BEFORE counting Franzen's LTIR of $3.9M. ...so if you do not waive ONE of Frk or Witko, what are we going to do? Even With Franzen we are still over the Cap. Here is what happens when I try to assign Franzen LTIR: We all agree that if they do give Larkin $6M a trade will HAVE to be made, but we know better than that, it won't. Not until the TDL. So either we waive Frk or Witko or Holland knows that Z won't be playing. But if Z is playing, Holland will waive someone. If he keeps Rasmussen in jrs. then he lied to us the entire off season about 2-5 "new kids" (not the ones on the block ) being here. That is why I say they wasted too much money on Green, Vanek and Bernier. They soaked up $11.375M of our available cap. Not that we can't use them on the roster, it's just too much money wasted. At the very least Rasmussen and Zadina should be here or maybe another young D instead of Zadina. But as it looks right now, if Larkin gets $6M, not even Rasmussen will be here, so our "new kids" are Vanek and Bernier plus a re-signed Green. Mantha and AA did us a favor by signing the contracts they signed. Vanek, Bernier and Green (and hopefully Larkin) should've done the same. Our only saving grace, so we don't have to waive anyone, is if the Team and Larkin agree on a $5M-$5.5M contract. We'll still be the top paid team in regards to cap hit, but at least we'd be compliant. But we'd only have 1 "new kid" here instead of 2-5 and right now, IMO, we won't even have him. So if we cannot waive Frk or Witko (in your opinion) Here's your team come October, with $0 available cap: (lines not set up, just roster)

So $5.5M for 1 year. There's no chance Winnipeg doesn't accept that award.

Without waiving one of them we'll be over the cap, even with Franzen LTIR. Plus, we'll be so close to the cap after waiving one, we'll still have no cap space for Zadina. Not unless or until Z is done. So once again we'll be the highest paid team in the NHL and still be a bottom 10 team. Too much money for the UFA's we signed they sucked up all the cap.

A good comparison for the Larkin contract is Ehlers in WPG. Although Dylan is a C and Ehlers is a LW, they had similar numbers last season and for their 3 year careers. Ehlers has him by 22 TTL points. Ehlers has had TWO season's of 60+ points, Dylan only one, plus last 2016-17 was dismal in comparison. But anyhow, Ehlers new contract takes affect this season and it's 7 years $42M, $6M AAV. That is what most people are expecting Dylan to get, a $6M AAV. I would love to see him settle for a $5M AAV, for 6 years just to get that extra $1M in cap space. Anyhow, it'll probably end up 6yrs $36M and then we will be set, except for clearing cap by waiving Frk or Witko.

I hope he gets 2 yrs $14M and the Jets walk away from it. But I doubt it. They have $18M in cap space, although they only have 10 forwards signed.

He's wearing#72, that says it all.

Thanks for that link, a lot of good reads! When/if Z is on LTIR, Larkin will wear a 3rd A until Z's contract is up, IMO. Then taking over the C.

I sure was hoping for a more team friendly amount, I must be out of the times. I happen to think that Mantha gave us a team friendly deal, it would be nice if we could get Dylan for around $5M. I know it's only $1M from the source, but that $1M can be helpful in giving him a better team to play for. If Larkin gets $6, you have to think that Z is LTIR almost for sure.

Ok, so here is what I understand, since Trouba was the one to file, he cannot refuse the award. The team can decide not to honor it if its a 1 year award, or if its a two year award, they can still walk away after year 1, IF the award is above $4.2M, which I am sure it will be. Both of these resulting in Trouba becoming an instant UFA. If the team filed then, Trouba has the same options as the team in the first paragraph and could reject the award making himself a UFA.