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What the f*** kind of power play lineup was that?

Marchenko, eh?

Ya, and if that's the case, I'd rather keep the pick and draft one of the guys I mentioned. But they wouldn't be moving up, they'd have our pick and theirs. So they have 2 in the top 10, including 1 in the top 5. But they'd still probably want one of those players in return.

Will a win change anything? Maybe just our draft order...

Gonna need some details, I cannot find anything of Bob's feed...

Trading the pick goes back to our ideas before the deadline. Our 1st plus a player to WPG for Trouba and a 2nd. We could throw in one of our many 3rds as well. But now we don't have the high powered guy in the top 5. It's a tough road having a lottery pick.

We could just put Tippett with Nielsen and Larkin. AA-Z-Mantha Larkin-Nielsen-Tippett Nyquist-Helm-Tatar Sheahan-Glendening-Abby Of course were losing someone, so who knows how it'll round out.

so, question, if it's fair to say that if The Red Wings(TM) make he playoffs, it'll be because Zetterberg willed them in and carried them, ya? So if they fail to make the playoffs is it because he didn't carry them enough or will hard enough or is it because of a bad team? You would think the excuse goes both ways...not knocking on Z, but it is a fair question.

I bet we get #4. They'll give Vegas #3, since they have the same odds as us right now, but anyhow, at #4, these are my picks: If we're going D, I am taking Nic Hague. Every rankings I look at Liljigren moves back a bit, then moves up, then back. I've seen Hague do nothing but go up, he is currently ranked the #2 N/A Defenseman in the draft. I've heard a bit about Cale Maker, but I'm looking for a great two-way Defender. If we're going O, then I am taking Tippet. Say what you guys will about a center, but we do have Larkin and AA who are going to be dynamite centers after Z and Nielsen are either gone or moved down the depth chart. AA and Larkin are going to be (hopefully) around a long, long time to be the #1 and #2 centers here. Plus we don't have many good RW prospects, our best are Frk and Nastasiuk. Tippet on the right hand side of either of those two should make them even better. Plus, he could possibly step right in next season, all depending on who we lose to Vegas in expansion. If we drafted a center, there would be nowhere to play him next season. Now, unless we lose Helm, Sheahan or Glendening in expansion, the centers have nowhere to move down to. Plus if we did lose Helm, lets say, maybe Larkin fills that or it goes back the Sheahan. This all depends on the expansion and if Holland moves anyone before then or before the Amateur Draft. But I am hoping (at #4) for either Tippet of Hague.

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Yes, not because I think he's the answer, but like mentioned above, you'd be opening up a good amount of cap, plus two roster spots and years on a contract. I'd take flip at $5M for 1 year to get rid of both of their contracts.

You don't have to doubt it. Holland said on 97.1 that mcilrath was acquired to be in GR. He said that he will be evaluated the rest of the season in GR. He probably won't even get re-signed. I'm think Holland just acquired him to use as a player to leave unprotected in the hopes maybe he won't lose another young D. But someone here is going to be very mad that The New Dylan didn't get the call...

I'd trade E and Howard for Gretzky.

...and he's a pretty good center.

I can agree that if the entire Red Wings system and philosophy is overhauled, Nyquist could thrive again. But in all honesty, I can't see that happening. I still believe that Abby and Helm gets protected and one of Nyquist/Tatar gets exposed...but, we'll see! Here's a question, so we can get away from the arguing, what if he protects Sheahan, which TWO of the four being debated do you think get exposed?

Then I guess it's Helm then...guess we'll see soon enough who gets taken.

It was time. Even last season we only made the playoffs because Boston didn't. Similar to the year prior. Maybe a few players would've had a few more goals, Abby comes to mind, but in reality it wouldn't have made too much of a difference.

Top 6 in minutes played is playing top 6. I said he's been playing top 6 all season long.. I said Hudler was never going to get 70 in his time here, and I was correct. I don't care if he got 100 on a different team. Let Nyquist go get his 60 on Calgary, he could get 300 on Calgary for all I care. He gets l paid to score goals, the last two seasons he's failed miserably and shows no sign of correcting that. System, coaching, whatever, then move along and score somewhere else. I don't want to watch a player make $5Mish a year and only score 10 goals...if he's lucky. No, I don't defend Abby, he gets paid to do other things as well. A bit too much and too long, but again, no way Holland opts to leave Abby unprotected. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Top 6 minutes is top 6 minutes...period. top 6 minutes and not capable of 60 points like he is touted by you guys to be. Again, top 6 minutes in on ice average. I don't know where the dispute is ...

Gee, Tatar was just starting to get into a groove and who gets defaulted onto the top line?

It's opinion. When compared to Yzerman and Lidstrom...not a good captain. Great player in his prime, but in comparison, no. Sorry, two random sports reporters can't change facts.

No need to check info...top 6. You check. I'll tell you right now, fact he was 6th in total on ice average before his 6 game suspension where he now sits tied for 8th with Mantha. Top 6 minutes...fact. you're welcome.

Now Nyquist is capable of 60 points...if that don't have wishfull "playoff Franzen" written all over it, I don't know what has. He has played top 6 all season long...not gonna get 60. He's never hit 60. This reminds me of Hudler is capable of 60-70 points bullcrap I endured during his failed time here. Give it up, Nyquist, while you may be right about him being protected, because Holland is that big of an idiot, but he will not be a 60 point player and will take up a top 6 spot while keeping better players in the bottom 6.

If he moves Nyquist before the draft fine, but Guarantee he protects Abby before Nyquist. I hate on Helm too, but guess what, I didn't put Nosek up there just to leave Helm off. Listen, we have to shed salary. Its a business, if someone claimed Nyquist that would help us tremendously. So you're saying he protects Nyquist and Tatar and leaves one of Helm/Abby off? I don't see him leaving Helm or Abby off...so what if I hate Nyquist, Helm brings more to the team than Nyquist. Helm is bottom 6 and isn't forced to be in the top 6 (too often) where he doesn't fit. Nyquist is horrible, yet he still gets top 3 minutes. That spot belongs to a player that has earned it, Nyquist has been a bust since his deal, face it. If he is to be on the team, he needs to start on the 4th and earn his way back up. Leaving Nyquist unprotected is a no brainer. There is no "2014 Nyquist" making a comeback, he's done, spent, over, he loses, he gets nothing...but a fat paycheck he hasn't earned since he signed it. You lose Nyquist, pay Tatar Nyquist money and you have the better player. Holland WILL NOT leave Abby or Helm unprotected. 100% guarantee. So its either Nyquist or Tatar, and Tatar is the better player, always has been, he wants Nyquist money, ditch Nyquist the Bust and keep the better payer in Tatar.

Jurco was the #14 forward. Rarely sniffed the ice outside of practice. Vanek, Miller, Ott and Smith were not on the roster to start next season. They were all UFA's. I was hoping to move about $12M in salary off next season's roster in order to bring kids in maybe a UFA or two and properly rebuild. We will lose a player to Vegas, but if that player is Tatar, there is another player that already isn't showing on the roster next season. We only have $6M in cap space next season, without the mentioned FA's above. So trading the UFA's and losing Tatar to Vegas does nothing to give us anymore cap space or upgrading spots. We need to re-sign AA, Ouellet and quite possibly Tatar. It's going to be hard. I hope we lose about $4Mish to Vegas, then I hope Holland deals about $8M more over the summer off the roster. He can still buyout E and Howard if he cannot move them, the hit would be minimal compared to their current salaries, it'll just double up the years. E would be 4, Howard 6. But cap would be very low. This is my hope...I will wait and see what he does for the expansion and there after. If we start next season with the same team (minus one) as now, I will screamed until i cannot scream anymore!