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Top 6 in minutes played is playing top 6. I said he's been playing top 6 all season long.. I said Hudler was never going to get 70 in his time here, and I was correct. I don't care if he got 100 on a different team. Let Nyquist go get his 60 on Calgary, he could get 300 on Calgary for all I care. He gets l paid to score goals, the last two seasons he's failed miserably and shows no sign of correcting that. System, coaching, whatever, then move along and score somewhere else. I don't want to watch a player make $5Mish a year and only score 10 goals...if he's lucky. No, I don't defend Abby, he gets paid to do other things as well. A bit too much and too long, but again, no way Holland opts to leave Abby unprotected. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Top 6 minutes is top 6 minutes...period. top 6 minutes and not capable of 60 points like he is touted by you guys to be. Again, top 6 minutes in on ice average. I don't know where the dispute is ...

Gee, Tatar was just starting to get into a groove and who gets defaulted onto the top line?

It's opinion. When compared to Yzerman and Lidstrom...not a good captain. Great player in his prime, but in comparison, no. Sorry, two random sports reporters can't change facts.

No need to check info...top 6. You check. I'll tell you right now, fact he was 6th in total on ice average before his 6 game suspension where he now sits tied for 8th with Mantha. Top 6 minutes...fact. you're welcome.

Now Nyquist is capable of 60 points...if that don't have wishfull "playoff Franzen" written all over it, I don't know what has. He has played top 6 all season long...not gonna get 60. He's never hit 60. This reminds me of Hudler is capable of 60-70 points bullcrap I endured during his failed time here. Give it up, Nyquist, while you may be right about him being protected, because Holland is that big of an idiot, but he will not be a 60 point player and will take up a top 6 spot while keeping better players in the bottom 6.

If he moves Nyquist before the draft fine, but Guarantee he protects Abby before Nyquist. I hate on Helm too, but guess what, I didn't put Nosek up there just to leave Helm off. Listen, we have to shed salary. Its a business, if someone claimed Nyquist that would help us tremendously. So you're saying he protects Nyquist and Tatar and leaves one of Helm/Abby off? I don't see him leaving Helm or Abby off...so what if I hate Nyquist, Helm brings more to the team than Nyquist. Helm is bottom 6 and isn't forced to be in the top 6 (too often) where he doesn't fit. Nyquist is horrible, yet he still gets top 3 minutes. That spot belongs to a player that has earned it, Nyquist has been a bust since his deal, face it. If he is to be on the team, he needs to start on the 4th and earn his way back up. Leaving Nyquist unprotected is a no brainer. There is no "2014 Nyquist" making a comeback, he's done, spent, over, he loses, he gets nothing...but a fat paycheck he hasn't earned since he signed it. You lose Nyquist, pay Tatar Nyquist money and you have the better player. Holland WILL NOT leave Abby or Helm unprotected. 100% guarantee. So its either Nyquist or Tatar, and Tatar is the better player, always has been, he wants Nyquist money, ditch Nyquist the Bust and keep the better payer in Tatar.

Jurco was the #14 forward. Rarely sniffed the ice outside of practice. Vanek, Miller, Ott and Smith were not on the roster to start next season. They were all UFA's. I was hoping to move about $12M in salary off next season's roster in order to bring kids in maybe a UFA or two and properly rebuild. We will lose a player to Vegas, but if that player is Tatar, there is another player that already isn't showing on the roster next season. We only have $6M in cap space next season, without the mentioned FA's above. So trading the UFA's and losing Tatar to Vegas does nothing to give us anymore cap space or upgrading spots. We need to re-sign AA, Ouellet and quite possibly Tatar. It's going to be hard. I hope we lose about $4Mish to Vegas, then I hope Holland deals about $8M more over the summer off the roster. He can still buyout E and Howard if he cannot move them, the hit would be minimal compared to their current salaries, it'll just double up the years. E would be 4, Howard 6. But cap would be very low. This is my hope...I will wait and see what he does for the expansion and there after. If we start next season with the same team (minus one) as now, I will screamed until i cannot scream anymore!

Ok, now that we know what our roster will look like come expansion. Here is what I'd expect to be as our protected list and if it is, I agree with it: Nielsen Zetterberg Mantha Athanasiou Abdelkader Tatar Helm Dekeyser Green Jensen Mrazek ....maybe, MAYBE you replace one of the last three forwards with Nyquist. I've actually seen some mock-ups, cannot find them now, but I've seen the exact list above, but with Sheahan protected. I find it hard to believe that Sheahan garners a protect, but in a rebuild, who knows, ya? So in my list this leaves unprotected: Nyquist, Sheahan, Miller, Tangradi, Frk, Glendening, Nosek, Callahan, Street, Kronwall, Ericsson, Ouellet, Sproul, McIlrath, Lashoff, Howard, Coreau, Pasquale.

Patiently waiting for the photoshop of Holland's head on Putin's shirtless body riding the horse...

Honestly, I'm sure a lot of us have their finances in good order. Just because maybe you are in a different industry than others, doesn't make anyone any better than anyone else. On this forum, finances matter not, we are all Red Wings fans, we all have differing opinions and that is what make LGW.com the greatest Red Wings, who am I kidding, The Greatest HOCKEY forum on the entire world wide web. I am glad that you have made sound investments and have all your money in superb order. But that doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. That is what is wrong with the world today, particularly the USA, the "have's" make it a point to attempt to keep the "have-nots" under their shoe, when they should just build their little wall around their mansion and keep those thoughts to themselves. We are all human, we are all made the same way, we all bleed red. Just because some people make right turns and some make left and some may even do u-turns, when the time comes when our last breath is taken, it matters not how much wealth you have accumulated, it matters how wealthy you've lived your life. If wealth is all that makes you happy, then you are truly a poor person. I for one am rich beyond belief with my family, friends, colleagues and yes, even the users on here that I have exchanged words with (good and bad) the last 14 years. It have made my life even more enjoyable. My favorite sport is hockey, my team The Red Wings, why wouldn't I want to have great conversations across the world with these fine folks? Why wouldn't I value that just as much, if not more than I value the all-mighty dollar? Look at how much love Steve received here after he passed away, something tells me LWING, that when the day comes you pass, and all you've accumulated is wealth, you'll have people fighting over what they can have, rather than reveling in the memories of how much you meant to them and this world. It's easy to have friends when your portfolio is fat and you have millions of dollars, but if you're poor, or make a good modest living and still manage to have a handful of good friends, that is what defines you as a human being. Because they are your friends for who you are, not what you are or what you can give them. I'm not saying don't strive to be rich with money or be the best at what you do, but you also need to be rich in love and a good, down to earth person. Making fun of someone because they may not know the difference between a 401k and a 403b is just you looking down the tip of your nose at them. I make a great living, I've been employed at the same company for 22+ years, I get benefits, vacations, sick pay and enjoy what I do. I have a retirement fund AND a 401k, my wife has a 403b, do I know all the differences between them? No, not at all, I don't care and for someone to judge me or anyone else because of that just shows the type of "friends" you'll have in your lifetime, the type of person you are. If all you worry about is your bottom line and portfolio and treat people with less money or knowledge like they are below you, then you are in for a sad lonely life. I've been married 21 years and have three wonderful son's between the ages of 9 and 18. I own two homes, all my vehicles are paid off, and my son's college is paid for, I am by far not a millionaire, nor do I ever expect to be (come on lottery! ) but I can say, without hesitation, that I am rich beyond my means! I may not know all the wall street lingo like some, but when it come to life, I've hit the (everyone say it with me!) THE JUCK ******* POTT! Now God Damn it can we get back to hockey, f***!

I'd be happy as a pig in slop if Nyquist scored 25-30 goals. But, as we have seen this season and last, he hasn't. My point was, how long are we going to say, maybe next year he bounces back...maybe next year...maybe next year...maybe....not. Tatar has been the same way, although he has picked it up some lately, but again, how long. He'll probably get at least Nyquist money this off season, and then if he continues to only score 10-20 goals, then what, do we wait for his "playoff Franzen" to reappear? We're going to lose a player to Vegas, I hope its Nyquist, but either way, we need to shed salary and a few roster spots in order to start this rebuild the right way...but in reality, we all know Holland doesn't want a rebuild, he wants to hold on to these overpaid, under performing players and hope that, one year, their "playoff Franzen's" show back up. I was encouraged by the audio that he said that he believes that there are a few players in GR that are ready to be in Detroit within the next 6-18 months... I'm ready to build this core of players that will be together for the next dynasty, I'm so ready!

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2017/03/red_wings_ken_holland_on_thoma.html ...as much as I'd like to see him in Detroit, he was acquired to add toughness to GR. Maybe if he does a good job down there, he'll get a contract offer and get to Detroit next season. But add this to the audio from yesterday where Holland said he got him to be in GR, I don't think we'll see Dylan here in Detroit. Possibly never...

And one day 2008 Franzen may show back up. We can't just keep holding on to players saying "this could be the year" and then saying "what if next year is the year..." over and over and over...

If he could do that, without trading the 1st, AA, Mantha or Larkin, then ya, I'm in. But....

Listen to the audio.

Did you listen to the audio? He was acquired to be in GR and help the development of the young players down there by being tough....in GR.

I compare to that time when I wanted a puppy, but got a rock instead. That was disappointing... or when I thought I could afford a new truck, but settled for a used pinto...

McIlrath will not be in Detroit. http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/ken-holland-appears-on-97.1-the-tickets-jamie-and-stoney-show?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Holland is delusional. Also, so much for McIlrath coming up to Detroit.

...and that's that...Holland on 97.1... But Holland is staunch on this: The Red Wings are not burning things down and starting from scratch. He doesn’t think they need to. “We’re going to look at (things) this summer and figure out a way to get back in the mix. It’s a fine-line league, and right now, we’re (nine) points out of a playoff spot — it’s not like we’re 29 out,” Holland said. http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/ken-holland-appears-on-97.1-the-tickets-jamie-and-stoney-show?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I am The Game.

Shattenkirk is a defenseman.

I love looking at the draft class of players we've traded that were drafted by us. We all know that drafts are a gamble, but the year we selected Smith in the 1st round at #27, the 43rd pick was Subban. 16 D were selected that year before Subban... The year we traded down to choose Ferraro at #32, #33 was Ryan O'Reilly.

My only question was if Holland asked for him, then he should be called up, ya? If he never gets called up and leaves as a ufa, then what was the point of him being involved. Did Florida have to move a contract, maybe adding Vanek would've put them over the max contracts allowed? Nevermind that, they gave 46 players under contract, max is 50. Holland must've asked for him..bring him up!