LeftWinger

Out of the playoffs, maybe they'll wake up now? Doubt it. Holland let us and them down...it's too late. Thanks Holland. Just a side note on the lines, switch tartar with aa...he and mantha have great chemistry.

Ok..... Z, Mantha, Larkin, AA, Abby, Tatar, Sheahan (exposing Nyquist, Pulk, Jurco, Glendening, Helm (if re-signed.)) It needs to be known that if we land someone this July (hopefully Holland goes all in for someone like Stamkos, Lucic, Backes, et al. and then they would be protected instead of Sheahan.) If Dats has to be protected (since he won't be officially a UFA until July of 2017) then expose Tatar. Which I think if they are pending UFA's then they shouldn't have to be protected. If he retired then we'd waste a protection on him potentially losing someone we'd hate to lose. Also if Mantha doesn't need to be protected then put Tatar back on that list. ​Dekeyser, Marchenko, Kronwall ​(exposing Smith if resigned, Ericsson and Green.) It also needs to be noted that if XO comes up next season or if the Wings sign a top 2 guy, it is going to get real dicey. What if Jensen, XO, Sproul are all exposed as well? ​Mrazek ​​- I believe Howard will be dealt this summer, but if not, then obviously Howard will be exposed or whomever Holland signs as Petr's backup. If players in GR are also exposed, which would be bulls***, then unfortunately there'd be a lot more exposed. Fortunately we'd only lose one player for one team, unless the team passed on all of our exposed players.

The problem is, those same guys you are referring to weren't awarded a nearly $5M per year contract to take a s***.

Sums it up...period.

Easy, there are certain users here that think Z is still 25 and a great leader. In reality, he's a broken down shadow of himself. He won't make 5 more years on his contract.

Nowhere near a weak call, he broke his stick in half. Nyquist just earned a benching with that play. That's right up there with Smith throwing the puck back on the ice from the bench. I could care less if Nyquist ever played another game for Detroit again.

Messages need to be sent....f*** it, call up two more rookies who want to prove they belong in the NHL.

Can't watch anymore....worst red wings team since 1985 and Holland did nothing to try and make this team better....drastic, DRASTIC changes are needed.

Next game Tatar and Nyquist sit for Jurco and Pulkkinen.

******* Q cannot keep the puck in the zone!

Larkin's problem is at the beginning of the season he played his game, he has now been molded into playing Granato's game...

Nyquist is horrible...but hey, he got his money, why play hard now?

Holland should be ashamed of himself. God I want to punch him!

Philly on pace for 60 shots.

Poor Petr has no help....

That right there should guarantee AA 20 more minutes of playing time at least!

Why does Nyquist bring everyone he plays with down? Here's my top 6 going forward : Larkin - Z - AA. Helm - Data - Mantha Yes, I put Helm back up there, amazing, I know.

What a ******* disgrace! Just going on record that I told you this was going to happen when Holland sat on his hands at the deadline. His time here has become stale and needs to be fired. The whole defense needs an enima. I am very disappointed how DD is playing, but can't give up on him yet. Can't trade Green or Kronwall with their full NTC. Everyone else, goodbye. Yes, even Marchenko. Nyquist or Tatar needs to be traded, Abby is already a wasteam of money, and we have 7 more years of him. Hank is a shadow and is showing no leadership whatsoever. Pav is about 68% he cannot continue to be the only vet trying. Lol, KFQ was ******* destroyed on that 1st goal, what a ******* joke.

It's amazing how bad this team has become since miller went down...

guess it's time for American Idol reruns....Holland likes his team.

I say bring this guy up to play in Kronner's spot. Throw him in and lets see what he's got. They did it to DD when they first signed him, and he was very instrumental in helping them get to the playoffs. Renouf certainly cannot do any worse than a few of our current defenders...

Ok, no one is saying he should retire because he is the reason this team stinks. He is just a broken down shadow of himself, and if the Wings had more than 2-3 more talented people around him, he would NOT be our leading scorer. He cannot continue to carry this team on his back, its broken. If Holland does not get help to take the pressure off him, then he should retire, instead of continue to break his body down until he cannot move anymore. He's already way slower and less effective than he has ever been. The wear is killing him slowly. Yzerman won a Cup on one leg, but he didn't have to carry that team on that one leg. The rest of the team won that Cup, Yzerman was there to lead them emtionally and spiritually more so than carrying the team on his broken body like Z is forced to. No doubt in anyone's mind that with or without Yzerman that year, they still win the Cup. The way Holland piles this team on Z (and Dats,) if he were to retire, or break in half, this team would falter, because there is no one as good who can carry this team. The point is, Holland better sell off all the s*** and get this team better and stop relying on Old Man Logan to carry this team, or he is going to break, and before he does that, I think he should retire, he half broken now. We have to shed this team of the fat. Dump the duplicate players, and prove to Z and D that this team will win it again, sooner rather than later. Prove that he is hell bent on keeping this team in the playoffs every year and once again, become a serious threat every year. The future is here in Larkin, AA and now Mantha, but they need some now players to carry this team until the future is good enough to carry this team. Nyquist and Tatar are not it.

He's only leading the team in scprint because the rest of the team is horrible. He is a broken down version of himself. Every year it's the same thing..."this year Z will be 100% and he'll dominate again..." you get over it, he's broken down. Regarding the gm, we all now know who the brains of this operation was, Scotty. No doubt about it. Holland rode the coattails of scotty until he left and you are now seeing just how Holland is on his own.

Players that MUST NOT be in a Wings uniform next season: Howard, Ericsson, Richards, Quincey, Helm, Nyquist, Smith at all cost. I honestly think Z (God Bless him) should retire. Trade the overripe guys in GR or just keep them there.... When I say draft day fire sale, I mean it. Trade all this dead weight for draft picks. Sign a HUGE scoring forward (Stamkos) and fill the rest with your kids from GR. I like Abby, but no way he is worth the money he got...what a waste. Another contract that in 2 years will be an albatross to this team and untradeable. Bring up Mantha, Bertuzzi, Russo, Hicketts, Renoef, Nosek to replace the fire sale players above. Sign a nice back up goalie or let Coreau take it. Throw millions of $$$$ at Larionov to try to convince him to come be the Asst/PP coach. It's time of Ilitch to step in a take control of his team....again.

******* embarrassing