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I am fairly excited about out prospects for sure, but like someone said, you don't sign someone fror $3M and tell them to sit... I say juggle the lines up....seriously. Filppula - Datsyuk - Tootoo Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Brunner Franzen - Helm - Cleary Sammy - Abby - Eaves/Miller/Nyquist I know Tootoo isn't a top 6 guy, but he would provide some level of protection out there for Pav and Fil...Same with Bertuzzi. I do not like Franzen (no really?!?!) but I do believe he is a better third line player than a top 6 guy. If he could find some kind of scoring back, he could really compliment that 3rd line...I think Sammy is washed up...I was a bit excited for him when he signed (not his salary) thinking he was the same player as 2008 or when he went to Vancouver, I was wrong about him. If Holland is not going to make that impact trade then line juggling is going to have to be the answer....or at least a try. On the D, considering all the injuries, we may no choice but to bring up another 'kid." Besides, it cannot get any worse on D can it? Kronwall - Lashoff Smith - Huskins Kindl - ?????

Did you see something we didn't? For him to be over-ready for the NHL he sure didn't make an impact last night nor did I even find myself saying, wow, Nyquist is good...he was invisible, did not impress what-so-ever. For all the hype for him, he should be making an statement much like Brunner is. IMO, Nyquist is just another Mursak...over hyped and never gonna be anything more than what he already is....and that is not good.

I agree! Yet he is still (sadly) one of ou only tradeable assets that may garner something in return.... (I am not counting Helm or Smith who someone would take for sure...they are not available.)

Those guys you listed in the OP alone would get draft picks in return...IF you want a impact player in return you are going to have to trade someone of some kind of value. Sure, prospects are always a nice throw in, but you still have to be willing to trade away a roster player that hsa some impact. Filppula and Franzen are about the only tradeable roster players that (throw in a prospect and pick) could very well get you an impact player, may Ericsson....I know my sig has a fantasy trade and it won't happen, but those are the kind of deals you will need to offer in order to get a player in here that is going to take the lead on this team and bring it into the next dynasty. Honestly, with the salary cap I don't ever see another dynasty forming anywhere. The Red Wings need to go ahead and tank it this year and take their chances on getting their own Shea Weber in Seth Jones, or if they so choose Nate MacKinnon. You can look for bandaids everywhere you want, but there are no Weber's/Suter's/Lidstrom's/Pronger's/Neidermeyer's out there anymore that are available, especially with what little we'd have to offer.... Best case scenario, trade your average players for picks and rebuild....Start getting those top 5 picks for a few years and even if Holland isn't a great 1st round drafter he could always trade a top 5 pick for someone of significance...just as long as he doesn't make another Quincey mistake. Franzen may not get you an impact player in return anymore, but I can see him getting a 2nd round pick from a bottom dweller team...MAYBE a 1st from a playoff team looking for some help. I maintain that Franzen needs a change of scenery in order to re-fire his career. He is on a downward spiral here and will end up retired before half his contract is up...

All due respect to Budd and his WWII heroism and decades of work in the organization, but there come a time when change is needed from the top to the bottom... Holmstrom retired today, the last of the dynasty, its time for a new beginning...but this organization refuses to change. That is why you will see the same old crap at the Joe and the same junky music and the same type of players....its over, the dynasty is over, let go. I am sure Budd wouldn't mind, nor his family. Time to stop talking about history and tradition, what did it get us last summer, no UFA's of significance, no players who mean anything want to come here anymore....Detroit has worn out its welcome in the NHL and yet they still keep going back to the same well....let it go....Hey dude, my grandfather was a war hero too, he is dead, I let him go, I don't go around playing tapes of him talking...life goes on..time to move on from Budd, Karen, Stanley the Octopus and Hey Hey Hockeytown...

He'll get here somehow....maybe under the name Suter/Parise For President. Exactly, like I said, I think it was Dallas who got out goaltended...it could have been 6 or 7 goals....

Oh boy, Nick sure knew what he was doing when he retired! This keeps up with Holland not addressing the issues, the NHL just may tell Detroit to stay home come Winter Classic next season...who wants to watch this hot garbage on New Years Day?

I am beginning to question his ability to coach...or at least get these fools to repsond...

an sadly Minny is going to come in Friday and destroy us.....then we have to listen to centcougar all frickin night!

WTF happend to Tootoo? He had that huge hit in the 1st and I didn't hear from him since....maybe he was told by Holland, listen, we don't play that way in Detroit...sit in the corner until you learn.

Kindl and E back friday? Ya that'll help.... Holland is dropping the ball...

We were not out-goaltended....we sucked. If anything Dallas was out goaltended, if it weren't for Jimmy they would have scored 6 or 17...

Gunner! He is the only consistant guy thus far...that aint saying much for this "great" team...Holland is on the hot poker right now....

...and there was no reason to worry last year (when we HAD Lids and Stu) when they couldn't score a goal...again, if it weren't for the new OT rules and a fluky home game win streak, they would have missed the playoffs last season...this has been a steady decline since 2009 and Holland refuses to make the deals he needs to make. Sure he went after Parise, but lost out, so he opted for Sammy? This team is stale. It's been that way throughout last season and thus far this season. There comes a time when change needs to happen. Our top 6 needs a shakeup....he needs to get what he can for Franzen and Filppula and go from there. It that means acquiring a REAL #1 defender or a REAL Sniper, it doesn't matter. Franzen may not even get you a high draft pick they way he hsa turned out.....but at least someone will come up with some heart...and Nyquist is not the one. He needs to get off the small skilled bus....one is fine, 8 is not...

another thing Franzen is not.....Holmstrom.... Not impressed by Nyquist, if he was so NHL ready, he sure doesn't act like it...Every single line the Wings have played against thus far this year has been better than any line combo they could come up with... If Holland stands pat this season with this team.....he needs to step down.

Holland needs to make a huge trade or step aside...Franzen and Filppula need a change of scenery...They are our two most tradeable, expendable assets, yet Holland thinks that Franzen is Sergei Fedorov...

To answer some questions.... The real Datsyuk is still in Russia...he said he loved playing at home and is probably going to go back after this contract...Hey, he wants to go home... I don't think there is a lottery this year (I could be wrong) so the dwarf couldn't fix it, BUT even if Holland did get the pick, he will take a Euro... Quincey is quickly becoming the worst acquistion in Red Wings history...he is catching up to Federko/McKegney... I cannot remember the last time I got excited for a Wings PP, maybe 2002?

are they still using a recording of Budd Lynch saying Last minute to go? If so, gimme a freakin break! Let go already! This is a new era! This is jsut an example of how this organization works....never let go of the past! Holland is still running his team this way! He still thinks he can win with mostly Euros.... Hey look, goal.....

He'd probably take a European skilled at #1 or #2 anyhow.....I just have wishful thinking. Franzen is prooving me correct everytime he steps on the ice! I love it!

Yep, in a 20 year period where we were smothered with European names it will be ironic next season when two of our top players will be named Smith and Jones...and refreshing...

Good Riddance!

Uh.....one question from the press? Really? 1000+ games and you only have one question? Sheesh!

WTF? How does that ref even still have a job? Sheesh!

Little Neddy Nederlander? So I guess that Amigo gig isn't cutting it anymore... Here is the phone call: Garth Snow: You want what? You aren't famous enough yet to call your own shots... Agent: No, he is infamous! Snow: In-Famous? What are you talking about? Neddy: You see Garth, I am In-famous its when you're MORE than famous. Yes, I am El Nino, I am not just famous, I am IN-famous! Trade me!

Regarding Wiz's comments, I agree, Holland has a reputation for offering UFA's less than they could get elsewhere, but when he did it with Bowman here, Bowman guaranteed that UFA that it was a wise choice to come to Detroit. Holland doesn't have that relationship with players, Bowman is, well, Bowman and like him or not, players knew that he was going to bring the best out of them and make them win. I am willing to bet that if Bowman was here 2 years ago, Wiz would have given less money a thought or two if he had Bowman talking to him. I could see something like this happening... Wiz: So if I take less, what guaratee do I have I will be happy? Holland: Well, you have no choice, because Lids is the best ever and nobody will EVER make more or anywhere near him oin this team, I think you all should take after him and play for less wherever you go...what do you think, interested? Wiz: {same question} Bowman: Listen, in a couple of years Lidstrom will be gone, we will need someone like you to help usher in the next dyansty and when Lidstrom leaves, you will be the #2 if not the #1 guy here and when you are awarded with a Stanley Cup, you will see that it is all worth it. Plus with me calling the shots, you will have everything you need. What do you say? Actually if you need to, I can get you paid more than that moron Holland is offering you, you know I still run this place.... No prob! I have always been on the fence of Holland...he makes some good moves and some s***ey moves. But basically his Stanley Cups are from team built by Murray and Bowman...