ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 I was just thinking about how great our prospects looked last time they all played against I think it was the Blues, with all this talk of trades(I know it would never happen)but why not dump Lilja, Williams, and Sammy for someone just anyone decent, then bring up some prospects, and maybe Norton b/c he wasn't as bad as any of the 3 players I just named. I know there would be no playoff experience, but it seemed like they had plenty of heart, and we know Norton has grit, Hussey looked like he had some to. I'm just saying in theory wouldn't it be a worthy risk to just dump those that haven't dont s*** for us anyway and let the young guns have a shot now see what they can do going near the playoffs. Hell even if we don't finish first in the West we know we have a spot so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Hussey, Langfeld, and Ellis are all junk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudConnected 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 None of those guys are what I would really call prospects. Langfeld's just hanging around. As soon as we have a different option he's out of here. And he's older. Not a prospect. Ellis looks like an AHLer or a Blue Jacket, not a Red Wing. He won't be in our system in the next few years. Hussey is.....meh. Just meh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 really you weren't impressed at all by them. I'll give you langfeld isn't really anything special, but they had some great chemistry. But ok, if not them there have to be plenty of others. I wouldn't mind seeing Ericcson out there, and a few days ago I read about another young player we have that almost made the team. It was just a thought Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) I was just thinking about how great our prospects looked last time they all played against I think it was the Blues, with all this talk of trades(I know it would never happen)but why not dump Lilja, Williams, and Sammy for someone just anyone decent, then bring up some prospects, and maybe Norton b/c he wasn't as bad as any of the 3 players I just named. I know there would be no playoff experience, but it seemed like they had plenty of heart, and we know Norton has grit, Hussey looked like he had some to. I'm just saying in theory wouldn't it be a worthy risk to just dump those that haven't dont s*** for us anyway and let the young guns have a shot now see what they can do going near the playoffs. Hell even if we don't finish first in the West we know we have a spot so... The playoff race will be close. Period. It will not end until the playoffs begin, and seeding is important. Samuelsson does not suck. Langfeld is s***, Kopecky is a minimum-salary player, Ellis isn't ready for the NHL, Meech isn't ready for the NHL, Hussey isn't ready for the NHL. Kindl and a few others may be up next year. Edited February 20, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 they can't be any worse then Lilja or Williams. I think Sammy ok, obviously he hasn't been around for a while but really when he was around he didn't do s*** either. I don't think he is horrible but he would be the only player with any value (not much) that I would be willing to give up. Maybe he will come back and prove me wrong, but he seems like a Maltby that isn't even as useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudConnected 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 really you weren't impressed at all by them. I'll give you langfeld isn't really anything special, but they had some great chemistry. But ok, if not them there have to be plenty of others. I wouldn't mind seeing Ericcson out there, and a few days ago I read about another young player we have that almost made the team. It was just a thought I'll give you that they looked good together. But they're not really what we need. They'll do fine in a game here or there, but over a playoff series they'll be a nonfactor. they can't be any worse then Lilja or Williams. I think Sammy ok, obviously he hasn't been around for a while but really when he was around he didn't do s*** either. I don't think he is horrible but he would be the only player with any value (not much) that I would be willing to give up. Maybe he will come back and prove me wrong, but he seems like a Maltby that isn't even as useful. Lilja is a defenseman. None of those guys are. So that's out of the picture. Sammy can find the back of the net more than those guys. Sammy's not the most impressive guy, but he has more skill and production for a team that lacks scoring wingers. So you can't replace him with those guys. Maltby, while slowing down quite a bit, is still more useful as a pker and pest than those three combined. They had a couple of good minutes in the one game they played, but it just doesn't work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 they can't be any worse then Lilja or Williams. I think Sammy ok, obviously he hasn't been around for a while but really when he was around he didn't do s*** either. I don't think he is horrible but he would be the only player with any value (not much) that I would be willing to give up. Maybe he will come back and prove me wrong, but he seems like a Maltby that isn't even as useful. Jason Williams is 100x better than Hussey and Ellis combined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) no way i totally disagree with that, Williams is just bad I almost would rather have Lilja play in front of him. As far as the Lilja I meant as in another defensive prospect to come in and take his place, then with trading away Williams and Sammy, you could either bring those 2 down but I suppose with trading them you would be getting someone better in return so just bring in one. You do make a good point about Sammy being a few of the players that can score but he has yet to prove that this year, even when healthy his shooting has been just as bad. As for Maltby I was just saying Sammy was like him in the agitator role, but not nearly as good. Plus Maltby has really been playing like he has something to prove lately. Yes Sammy is a better goal scorer, but I don't really think his impact coming back will do anything, so why not try to make a few moves. We know we can live with out him, and we want to live with out the other 2, therefore bring in someone decent, and try something new. Just curious because you folks don't seem to keen on the younger guys what did you think of Kopecky when he was playing? Edited February 20, 2007 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Plus I heard we have some very phyiscal young dmen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudConnected 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) no way i totally disagree with that, Williams is just bad I almost would rather have Lilja play in front of him. As far as the Lilja I meant as in another defensive prospect to come in and take his place, then with trading away Williams and Sammy, you could either bring those 2 down but I suppose with trading them you would be getting someone better in return so just bring in one. You do make a good point about Sammy being a few of the players that can score but he has yet to prove that this year, even when healthy his shooting has been just as bad. As for Maltby I was just saying Sammy was like him in the agitator role, but not nearly as good. Plus Maltby has really been playing like he has something to prove lately. Yes Sammy is a better goal scorer, but I don't really think his impact coming back will do anything, so why not try to make a few moves. We know we can live with out him, and we want to live with out the other 2, therefore bring in someone decent, and try something new. Just curious because you folks don't seem to keen on the younger guys what did you think of Kopecky when he was playing? Again, I don't really understand the Lilja in front of Williams logic here. Different positions. But anyways... Sammy's not really an agitator. He and Maltby are different players. Totally. As far as Sammy goes, he only has 3 less goals than Lang in 21 less games. He's at least 20 goal scorer if he's healthy. Not saying that's great, but he's got more in him than anyone playing under him. Any upgrade will have to come from the outside, not from our system this year. Kopecky can finish a check and skate. I like him. Hope he can bounce back from his injury. I want to see some kids come in too. Ericsson, Quincey, and Kindl on the back end could be up in the next two years. Grigorenko will be over next year, I'd say he makes the big club. And the OHL kids seem to be on fire. If one of them has a great camp than it wouldn't be far-fetched to see one of them stick. But we don't really have much down there to help us out this year. EDIT: check out www.redwingscentral.com if you want to read a little more about our farm system Edited February 20, 2007 by CloudConnected Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 they can't be any worse then Lilja or Williams. I think Sammy ok, obviously he hasn't been around for a while but really when he was around he didn't do s*** either. I don't think he is horrible but he would be the only player with any value (not much) that I would be willing to give up. Maybe he will come back and prove me wrong, but he seems like a Maltby that isn't even as useful. You think 24 points in 38 games is "not doing s***"? Sammy's no playmaker, but he will shine if given a linemate that can set him up *COUGH* LANG *COUGH*. Secondly, I don't even see how you figure Hussey and Langfeld are young guys. Langfeld's 29 and Hussey's 27. Not old, but far too old to be considered a prospect. Langfeld = Mark Mowers. Those guys are in their prime, and if this is their prime, then you can't expect much. I would much rather not have to use those guys in the playoffs. If you found a plain white box, unmarked except for the label HOCKEY PLAYER in black Arial font lettering, you would open it up and find Josh Langfeld inside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 20, 2007 You think 24 points in 38 games is "not doing s***"? Sammy's no playmaker, but he will shine if given a linemate that can set him up *COUGH* LANG *COUGH*. Secondly, I don't even see how you figure Hussey and Langfeld are young guys. Langfeld's 29 and Hussey's 27. Not old, but far too old to be considered a prospect. Langfeld = Mark Mowers. Those guys are in their prime, and if this is their prime, then you can't expect much. I would much rather not have to use those guys in the playoffs. If you found a plain white box, unmarked except for the label HOCKEY PLAYER in black Arial font lettering, you would open it up and find Josh Langfeld inside. This guy is grasping for straws. Much better to let him do some research BEFORE you try to discuss this with him, rather than vice versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Hussey, Langfeld, and Ellis are all junk. Sorry, maybe you can fill me in... Matt Ellis, 25, is currently leading the Griffins in goals (20), second in points (40), second year captain of the team, kills penalties, takes key face offs, good size, hardly gets 1st line ice time, and his stats have (literally) increased year after year (stats)... what exactly are we looking for in a 3rd/4th line grinder/depth player? Edited February 20, 2007 by SkaRockSteady Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) The only good affect if they join the Wings is their salary would save a lot more cap space. Edited February 20, 2007 by dragonballgtz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/snapshots/ind..._02.html#239106 seems Ellis is doing pretty damn good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trevorficnaow 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 they are amazing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coyote0106 2 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Sorry, maybe you can fill me in... Matt Ellis, 25, is currently leading the Griffins in goals (20), second in points (40), second year captain of the team, kills penalties, takes key face offs, good size, hardly gets 1st line ice time, and his stats have (literally) increased year after year (stats)... what exactly are we looking for in a 3rd/4th line grinder/depth player? Ellis is the hardest working Griffin, this year. He isn't going to be a 1st or even 2nd liner, but he is everything you need in a depth role. And now he is named AHL player of the week....yep, he's junk. Edit: Spelling. Edited February 20, 2007 by Coyote0106 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2007 Sorry, maybe you can fill me in... Matt Ellis, 25, is currently leading the Griffins in goals (20), second in points (40), second year captain of the team, kills penalties, takes key face offs, good size, hardly gets 1st line ice time, and his stats have (literally) increased year after year (stats)... what exactly are we looking for in a 3rd/4th line grinder/depth player? 20 goals and 40 points in the AHL isnt jack s*** for a guy whos 25 years old. If it was a 20 year old, i might be impressed. Ellis would be just another Langfeld on the Wings' 4th line, a guy who does nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coyote0106 2 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 20 goals and 40 points in the AHL isnt jack s*** for a guy whos 25 years old. If it was a 20 year old, i might be impressed. Ellis would be just another Langfeld on the Wings' 4th line, a guy who does nothing. Well, looking at stats for a player like Ellis is stupid. He isn't supposed to be a goal scorer. But if stats are what we are going to go by, then yes he will be pointless in a RW uniform. He's not going to score 30 goals in the NHL, and he isn't supposed to, IMO. He is the kind of guy that wins the battles along the boards, is a good PK guy, etc. You know exactly the kind of effort he is going to give every game, and every shift. That is more than I can say for alot of Wings...and yes, most of the wings are more talented/skilled than he is. With that said, the Wings aren't going to keep him around, and I believe he will be with a new team in the future (when his contract expires). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
