Paging Datsyuk

[Hank 0]

how long have you been following hockey again??

What an educated comeback!

Try not to let the Datsyuk coloured glasses tint your point of view.

And if you read all of my posts you'll see that I'm not really attacking Datsyuk but he does need to start producing more. He's paid handsomely to do it and he hasn't on the road.

[regwinguofmfan 0]

Zion, dont be an ass hat.

Tell me what is stupid about that post.

Its the truth.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

the haters have arrived once again, but at a strange strange time

Talking about how you want "MORE" from Datsyuk, well whos to say he doesen't want "MORE" support from the fans?

nothing is ever good enough.

could you please stop labeling someone a hater simply because they have some criticism of Datsyuk?

Dats and Z have been playing pretty well, but there's no way around their lack of production on the road.

They both have 0 goals, 0 assists, and are -4 in away games.

It's not being a hater; it's hockey analysis. If we're going to get past San Jose and especially in the next round, we need both Dats and Z to get on the board on the road.

It's not that I think they can't or won't, they just need to.

What an educated comeback!

Try not to let the Datsyuk coloured glasses tint your point of view.

And if you read all of my posts you'll see that I'm not really attacking Datsyuk but he does need to start producing more. He's paid handsomely to do it and he hasn't on the road.

exactly. threads like this turn into a flame war because a minor comment about Datsyuk draws such a reaction from his supporters.

Overall Dats has played well. He's scored and had a lot of great chances. Saying he needs to score in away games is not an unreasonable thing to ask of your highest paid star player.

[Hank 0]

You want to blame Datz and Zett for not scoring but Maltby and Draper get a pass?

Datts and Zetts have been just as good or better defensivly and on the PK.

Im happy Lidstrom has two goals, but has not played that great on D at all again this year.

Lilja has been our best D man, Cheli has been solid as well.

You guys always overlook the poor play of old time wings on this board.

Maltby should not have been resigned, Draper couldnt score in an empty net and Lidstrom has lost a few steps and besides his amazing poke check and shooting ability gets woked over alot now a days.

I love these guys too, but you have to face the facts, they are not what they used to be.

Who has played better in the playoffs so far? Datz, Zetta, Cleary, Holmstom and Franzen or Lidstrom, Schneider, Draper and Maltby.

Maltby and Draper were not signed to lead this team in scoring. They were signed to be defensively responible, kill penalties, wear down the opposition and keep pressure in the offensive zone. They've done all of this and more.

Datsyuk and Zetts were signed to produce goals to help win games. Sure, I think both players are working hard and trying their best. That's great. But they have to find ways to produce. The best players in the world have all done this. Dats is getting paid like one of the best, so he needs to produce like one of the best.

I think Sharks fans are probably saying the same things about Marleau.

[silkyjohnson13 0]

I must have been watching a different game because i loved what i seen from Datsyuk last night. Every shift he was flying through the neutral zone and entering the offensive zone with ease. When he's looking to attack like that, he can truly be a dominant player. He didn't get any points but he for no reason deserves a thread saying "Paging Datsyuk." That's just stupid.

Breaking news: you can play a solid game without registering a point.

And as long as Datsyuk is looking to attack and skate like he did last night , his points will come because he's that talented.

[13dats 1]

Want more from Datsyuk??? If not him, the playoff run would be over for Red Wings. You forgot his game winning goal in game 2 ?!

[regwinguofmfan 0]

Who is leading the Wings in playoff goals again?

HAHA

Exactly, give me a break.

Dats is leading the team in goals as well.

This guy controls the boards.

I think some of you guys have no idea about hockey.

[WingNutt 12]

What an educated comeback!

Try not to let the Datsyuk coloured glasses tint your point of view.

And if you read all of my posts you'll see that I'm not really attacking Datsyuk but he does need to start producing more. He's paid handsomely to do it and he hasn't on the road.

I never said you were attacking anyone, I'm just questioning your reasons. If you would have read my post you would realize that others and myself included are wondering why your criticizing two of our hardest working players, on the basis of how many goals they are scoring on the road. They are playing their asses off and you still want more, thats whats so messed up about the whole thing,

Nothing is never enough thats all I'm saying. Hence how long have you been following hockey

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

That's why I said that both play different styles. But it doesn't excuse Datsyuk from not producing. Steve Yzerman was smaller and had one leg and he produced more in his last years than Datsyuk.

I'm not asking the guy to run guys through the boards, but he's paid to produce goals, not chances. He needs to start putting points on the board.

You can not compare Steve to Dats like that Steve is one of the greats ever to play the game Dats is good but you are comparing apples to oranges they are 2 differant type of players

[Hank 0]

Want more from Datsyuk??? If not him, the playoff run would be over for Red Wings. You forgot his game winning goal in game 2 ?!

I forgot that players are only responsible for winning 1 game in the postseason. My bad.

Like Snepts said, it's not an unreasonable request by any means to expect your highest paid player, and best offensive player, to score on the road.

Datsyuk fans need to be less sensitive and more realistic about what's being said here.

[WingNutt 12]

could you please stop labeling someone a hater simply because they have some criticism of Datsyuk?

Dats and Z have been playing pretty well, but there's no way around their lack of production on the road.

They both have 0 goals, 0 assists, and are -4 in away games.

It's not being a hater; it's hockey analysis. If we're going to get past San Jose and especially in the next round, we need both Dats and Z to get on the board on the road.

It's not that I think they can't or won't, they just need to.

exactly. threads like this turn into a flame war because a minor comment about Datsyuk draws such a reaction from his supporters.

Overall Dats has played well. He's scored and had a lot of great chances. Saying he needs to score in away games is not an unreasonable thing to ask of your highest paid star player.

come on harold, you know I said that just for you bud

If it makes you feel better, you can be the king of the haters??

[regwinguofmfan 0]

could you please stop labeling someone a hater simply because they have some criticism of Datsyuk?

Dats and Z have been playing pretty well, but there's no way around their lack of production on the road.

They both have 0 goals, 0 assists, and are -4 in away games.

It's not being a hater; it's hockey analysis. If we're going to get past San Jose and especially in the next round, we need both Dats and Z to get on the board on the road.

It's not that I think they can't or won't, they just need to.

exactly. threads like this turn into a flame war because a minor comment about Datsyuk draws such a reaction from his supporters.

Overall Dats has played well. He's scored and had a lot of great chances. Saying he needs to score in away games is not an unreasonable thing to ask of your highest paid star player.

I am a team supporter not a player supperter except Stevie Y. But gawd the guy has played great and even been physical. Flattened Phaneuff how many times?

Maltby and Draper were not signed to lead this team in scoring. They were signed to be defensively responible, kill penalties, wear down the opposition and keep pressure in the offensive zone. They've done all of this and more.

Datsyuk and Zetts were signed to produce goals to help win games. Sure, I think both players are working hard and trying their best. That's great. But they have to find ways to produce. The best players in the world have all done this. Dats is getting paid like one of the best, so he needs to produce like one of the best.

I think Sharks fans are probably saying the same things about Marleau.

Dats is leading the team in goals. And Zetts has 3. How can you complain about that?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

You want to blame Datz and Zett for not scoring but Maltby and Draper get a pass?

Datts and Zetts have been just as good or better defensivly and on the PK.

Im happy Lidstrom has two goals, but has not played that great on D at all again this year.

Lilja has been our best D man, Cheli has been solid as well.

You guys always overlook the poor play of old time wings on this board.

Maltby should not have been resigned, Draper couldnt score in an empty net and Lidstrom has lost a few steps and besides his amazing poke check and shooting ability gets woked over alot now a days.

I love these guys too, but you have to face the facts, they are not what they used to be.

Who has played better in the playoffs so far? Datz, Zetta, Cleary, Holmstom and Franzen or Lidstrom, Schneider, Draper and Maltby.

Yes Maltby and Draper get a pass. Draper had 14 goals this season. He was the total offense in that first road game in Calgary. If those guys score, it's a great thing, but it's not their primary role.

Lidstrom has been great in the postseason, he's just had to go up against some monsters.

I agree Lilja and Cheli have been solid. (Lids is our best dman, not Lilja).

Dats has been good. Z has been okay but not himself. Cleary has been awesome. Homer has been good. Franzen and Lids have been great. Schneider has been good. Drapes good. Maltby okay. What does that prove exactly?

[Datsyukgrl_in_ATL 0]

Wow, I was very pleased with how Datsyuk played last night. He carries a very big load in PK and PP, and he is always creating chances for himself and others. I understand that he has a hefty salary but he is so unique and special, you have to lock him up.

Would you honestly like to face him in the playoffs on a different team??? Be for real....

[bringback91 2]

That's why I said that both play different styles. But it doesn't excuse Datsyuk from not producing. Steve Yzerman was smaller and had one leg and he produced more in his last years than Datsyuk.

I'm not asking the guy to run guys through the boards, but he's paid to produce goals, not chances. He needs to start putting points on the board.

Come on Hank, I figured you could've learned something from yourself, remember these posts of your?.......

QUOTE(Hank @ April 13, 2007 - 08:08AM)

If anyone here knows me it's that I've always been a HUGE supporter of Pavel Datsyuk. I've stuck with him through thick and thin and I knew all those playoff games without a goal wasn't from his lack of heart or trying.

I was very glad to see that my loyalty to him was proven correct last night.

All of you Datsyuk doubters should be able to learn something from me.

Good day.

Hank April 13, 2007 - 08:56AM Post #4

Hahaha. Well this is post is very much "tongue-in-cheek".

I think I bashed Pavel more than anyone in Wings nation regarding Pavels postseason play.

I'm glad to be eating lots, and lots of crow today.

I'm just saying, I think it's funny how some can always find the brown lining in the cloud. It's rather silly. This series has been LOW scoring, and he's had his share. For once can the guy complete a playoff before all pass there judgement?

[Hank 0]

I never said you were attacking anyone, I'm just questioning your reasons. If you would have read my post you would realize that others and myself included are wondering why your criticizing two of our hardest working players, on the basis of how many goals they are scoring on the road. They are playing their asses off and you still want more, thats whats so messed up about the whole thing,

Nothing is never enough thats all I'm saying. Hence how long have you been following hockey

I still don't see your reasoning behind attacking my 'hockey knowledge'.

I also find it hilarious that you question my knowledge when you post one of the most juvenile statments I've ever read:

Talking about how you want "MORE" from Datsyuk, well whos to say he doesen't want "MORE" support from the fans?

Are you a 10 year old? Do you seriously think Datsyuk would say "I no longer want to work hard because fans at LGW don't support me"? If you do, I think you need a few more years of watching hockey.

Datsyuk and Zetts are working hard. I know this and I've already stated that. But your best players need to find ways to produce. Not scoring 1 goal or point in a couple of road games isn't that big of a deal. But they're 0-for in 5 road games now. Datsyuk still has a tendancy to stay on the outside too much. He needs to drive to the middle more often.

Again, there's nothing wrong with someone asking our top offensive and highest paid player to score a point or two on the road.

I am a team supporter not a player supperter except Stevie Y. But gawd the guy has played great and even been physical. Flattened Phaneuff how many times?

Dats is leading the team in goals. And Zetts has 3. How can you complain about that?

And both have 0 and 0 on the road. Do you think this team has a chance to win the Cup if our top 2 players don't score on the road?

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Why dont we stop bashing Dats and Zets here the series is tied coming back to the JLA feel good about that instead of knit picking, they win as a team and lose as a team hey remember the Wings were not even suposed to make it this far also isnt this the start of are rebuilding years and here we are in the second round of the playoffs so lets enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts GO WINGS

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

HAHA

Exactly, give me a break.

Dats is leading the team in goals as well.

This guy controls the boards.

I think some of you guys have no idea about hockey.

sdafhasldfkha;lskdjf!!!!!

We know nothing about hockey? I think I'm trying to demonstrate an analysis of the series, but since it says something slightly negative about Datsyuk, the only response it draws is hyperbolic responses from his fan base.

Are you guys even reading the posts, or just furiously typing to defend how great Dats is.

Let me recap, and read slowly.

DATSYUK HAS PLAYED WELL OVERALL, BUT

FOR THE RED WINGS TO BEAT A STRONG TEAM LIKE SAN JOSE AND ESPECIALLY AGAINST WHOEVER THEY WOULD PLAY NEXT,

WE NEED BOTH DATSYUK AND ZETTERBERG, WHO ARE OUR STAR PLAYERS, TO SCORE ON THE ROAD.

THEY HAVE NOT REGISTERED A POINT ON THE ROAD YET THIS PLAYOFFS.

THAT MAKES IT HARDER TO WIN ON THE ROAD, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO WIN A SERIES.

Expecting our star players to score in away games is not an outrageous thought.

Edited for typos.

Edited May 3, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[WingNutt 12]

Come on Hank, I figured you could've learned something from yourself, remember these posts of your?.......

QUOTE(Hank @ April 13, 2007 - 08:08AM)

If anyone here knows me it's that I've always been a HUGE supporter of Pavel Datsyuk. I've stuck with him through thick and thin and I knew all those playoff games without a goal wasn't from his lack of heart or trying.

I was very glad to see that my loyalty to him was proven correct last night.

All of you Datsyuk doubters should be able to learn something from me.

Good day.

Hank April 13, 2007 - 08:56AM Post #4

Hahaha. Well this is post is very much "tongue-in-cheek".

I think I bashed Pavel more than anyone in Wings nation regarding Pavels postseason play.

I'm glad to be eating lots, and lots of crow today.

I'm just saying, I think it's funny how some can always find the brown lining in the cloud. It's rather silly. This series has been LOW scoring, and he's had his share. For once can the guy complete a playoff before all pass there judgement?

haha interesting, good stuff. Its funny how someone can change so drastically from one time to the next. I just don't undertand this post at all. Datsyuk has been playing awesome. Zetterberg is also coming around, we just won a really really important game and we should all be supporting the team as much as we can now, and then out of the blue post like this pop up and I can't figure out why people are thinking like this.

All the Lang bashing post are gone for a few days because he scored a huge goal.

just amazes me.

Edited May 3, 2007 by WingNutt

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

And both have 0 and 0 on the road. Do you think this team has a chance to win the Cup if our top 2 players don't score on the road?

EXACTLY!

Why is that point so hard to grasp?

It's not hating, or bashing or overreacting... it's merely analyzing what has been going on this playoffs and looking at what it could mean going forward.

[Cruiser008 37]

Boy oh boy did this get blown out of proportion fast (I guess I was prophetic about the Devil's Advocate part). A player can work hard and be a non-factor, which is what happened last game. However with nagging injuries to two of our top 3 forwards we need a bit more out of our healthy top forward; that is all.

[bringback91 2]

exactly. threads like this turn into a flame war because a minor comment about Datsyuk draws such a reaction from his supporters.

Overall Dats has played well. He's scored and had a lot of great chances. Saying he needs to score in away games is not an unreasonable thing to ask of your highest paid star player.

I think it becomes a flame war, because it's usually the same people saying the same things, or waiting for a chance to pounce on anything negitive to be said about the guy. But then they'll flip flop and voice there support after a great game, wheather it's on the road or at the Joe. It's rather annoying. I guess my point is some will always find something to ***** about when it comes to Datsyuk, no matter what.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

You want to blame Datz and Zett for not scoring but Maltby and Draper get a pass?

Datts and Zetts have been just as good or better defensivly and on the PK.

Im happy Lidstrom has two goals, but has not played that great on D at all again this year.

Lilja has been our best D man, Cheli has been solid as well.

You guys always overlook the poor play of old time wings on this board.

Maltby should not have been resigned, Draper couldnt score in an empty net and Lidstrom has lost a few steps and besides his amazing poke check and shooting ability gets woked over alot now a days.

I love these guys too, but you have to face the facts, they are not what they used to be.

Who has played better in the playoffs so far? Datz, Zetta, Cleary, Holmstom and Franzen or Lidstrom, Schneider, Draper and Maltby.

This is so stupid - they play on the same team. It's not a competition. I would say both groups have been crucial to the Wings success, and they wouldn't be where they are without any of the players mentioned. I think you are way off on judging Lidstrom though. The guy plays against the best players on the other team for 30 minutes a night, every game of the season. Just because Thornton and Michalek are double his size and can push him off the puck makes him ineffective? I think you need to think about what this team would be without Lidstrom.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Boy oh boy did this get blown out of proportion fast (I guess I was prophetic about the Devil's Advocate part). A player can work hard and be a non-factor, which is what happened last game. However with nagging injuries to two of our top 3 forwards we need a bit more out of our healthy top forward; that is all.

Yup. but you dared say something that might be perceived as bashing Dats.

So here come his righteous defenders.

(nevermind that Zetterberg was also mentioned)

[Hank 0]

haha interesting, good stuff. Its funny how someone can change so drastically from one time to the next. I just don't undertand this post at all. Datsyuk has been playing awesome. Zetterberg is also coming around, we just won a really really important game and we should all be supporting the team as much as we can now, and then out of the blue post like this pop up and I can't figure out why people are thinking like this.

All the Lang bashing post are gone for a few days because he scored a huge goal.

just amazes me.

Again, show me where I've bashed Datsyuk in this thread? Have I said that he's garbage? Have I stated that he's overrated, or not working hard enough? Have I said that he sucks or has no heart?

No.

The only things I've said is that he needs to produce on the road. Oh no! I must be crucified for my sacriledge! How dare anyone say one negative thing regarding Datsyuk.

Now who's being irrational?