Calgary Wings Fan 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 I know they are only rumors but a name i keep hearing over and over is Thomas Vanek. What kinda of salary is he gonna command after his great year? Do you think teams will use him as leverage to be able to sign either Briere or Drury? What i mean is, if a team offers him 3.5 mil and Buffalo matches are they then in a position of having to let one of those two go. Or are the Sabres in a position where no matter what happens one of those 3 will not be back? Is there any other players that might command an offer sheet? I know this doesn't directly affect the Wings, but could they afford to part with picks to land some quality talent like Vanek? Or is the price simply too much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timsummers 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 i know its kinda beside the point, but i think vanek would get A LOT more than 3.5 mil. more along the lines of 5 or so. i would love to see any of those 3 in a wings jersey, but i just dont see it happening. with the big contract we gave dats and the one lids already had....plus what were gonna have to give hank, we just wont have the money i dont think. but one of those three will most likely be gone next year in my opinion, theyre all gonna command top dollar, especially drury and briere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calgary Wings Fan 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 i know its kinda beside the point, but i think vanek would get A LOT more than 3.5 mil. more along the lines of 5 or so. i would love to see any of those 3 in a wings jersey, but i just dont see it happening. with the big contract we gave dats and the one lids already had....plus what were gonna have to give hank, we just wont have the money i dont think. but one of those three will most likely be gone next year in my opinion, theyre all gonna command top dollar, especially drury and briere I 100% agree with you that he could command more than that. He's young, big and has put up some great numbers so far in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZDH Report post Posted May 30, 2007 That idiot Eklund has the Wings and Flyers rumoured to be going after Vanek via an Offer Sheet this summer but I don't buy it. Holland and Regier are very good friends and I can't see Kenny boy blacklisting himself like that. If Holland did sign Vanek to an Offer Sheet it would be lose/lose. One, Buffalo would just match it anyway. Second, teams would start trying to poach our RFA's and/or not trade with us anymore. Moron Eklund keeps saying more teams are going to signing RFA's to Offer Sheets but I just don't buy it. Mainly because it is an unwritten agreement between teams to not poach each other's RFA's. Clarke did it last year in Philly with Kesler. Vancouver matched it and now Kesler is overpaid for what his role on the team is. Vanek is a heck of a talent but I don't want to see Buffalo come along and sign Zetterberg to a 10 year/$80 million offer sheet when he becomes a RFA, as payback for trying to poach Vanek. What goes around comes around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaymcfly 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 i dont think there is any way that the sabres would let vanek walk, theyll match pretty much anything offered and for the wings the price is just too high in terms of picks and also salary that would be needed to secure an unmatched contract, either way the sabres are going to lose at least one of briere and drury because they are going to command top dollar in the fa market in terms of other possible offer sheet targets, why not nathan horton, wings need another center if we're going to keep zetterberg and datsyuk on the same line next year and horton is rumored to be disappointed with the panthers organization, hes young hes got tons of upside and hes a good sized body down the middle, he made 1.1 million last year and had 62 points in 82 games, obviously he'll get a raise but itll be less than langs 3.8 for sure, i know that the panthers would be reluctant to let him go but if hes not willing to sign a long term deal with them then maybe something could be worked out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
high_stick69 7 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 *Fingers crossed* that Chris Drury is a wing next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZDH Report post Posted May 30, 2007 i dont think there is any way that the sabres would let vanek walk, theyll match pretty much anything offered and for the wings the price is just too high in terms of picks and also salary that would be needed to secure an unmatched contract, either way the sabres are going to lose at least one of briere and drury because they are going to command top dollar in the fa market in terms of other possible offer sheet targets, why not nathan horton, wings need another center if we're going to keep zetterberg and datsyuk on the same line next year and horton is rumored to be disappointed with the panthers organization, hes young hes got tons of upside and hes a good sized body down the middle, he made 1.1 million last year and had 62 points in 82 games, obviously he'll get a raise but itll be less than langs 3.8 for sure, i know that the panthers would be reluctant to let him go but if hes not willing to sign a long term deal with them then maybe something could be worked out Nathan Horton is going to be a star and I'd love him on the Red Wings. However, I recently read somewhere that Olli Jokinen convinced Horton to stay with Florida. So while he is still a RFA, it's expected he will re-sign there. Even if a team signed Horton to an Offer Sheet, Florida would just match. In most cases with very good players, teams will just match any offer sheet. That is why Offer Sheets are few and far between. I mean I could get Jessica Simpson's email and phone number and ask her out on a date. But it doesn't mean she will answer me and go out with me. See what I mean? It's a great idea but at the end of the day I'm likely at the bar looking at a less attractive woman talking on her cell phone while eating pretzels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaymcfly 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 no, i understand how it works, i had just read that he was on the outs with florida and since hes so young, the panthers are going to be looking for a long term deal, i know theres pretty much no chance it would happen but hes the best rfa out there and if theres any chance they could move him you might as well try keep on calling jessica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 That idiot Eklund has the Wings and Flyers rumoured to be going after Vanek via an Offer Sheet this summer but I don't buy it. Holland and Regier are very good friends and I can't see Kenny boy blacklisting himself like that. If Holland did sign Vanek to an Offer Sheet it would be lose/lose. One, Buffalo would just match it anyway. Second, teams would start trying to poach our RFA's and/or not trade with us anymore. Moron Eklund keeps saying more teams are going to signing RFA's to Offer Sheets but I just don't buy it. Mainly because it is an unwritten agreement between teams to not poach each other's RFA's. Clarke did it last year in Philly with Kesler. Vancouver matched it and now Kesler is overpaid for what his role on the team is. Vanek is a heck of a talent but I don't want to see Buffalo come along and sign Zetterberg to a 10 year/$80 million offer sheet when he becomes a RFA, as payback for trying to poach Vanek. What goes around comes around. I agree , Vanek would be a great addition to the Wings but there's no way that Kenny Holland is dumb enough to offer someone an offer sheet and become an outcast in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZDH Report post Posted May 30, 2007 no, i understand how it works, i had just read that he was on the outs with florida and since hes so young, the panthers are going to be looking for a long term deal, i know theres pretty much no chance it would happen but hes the best rfa out there and if theres any chance they could move him you might as well try keep on calling jessica She is on my speed dial list. Heck it doesn't hurt for Holland to call Martin... Kenny: Hey Jack, wanna trade Horton? Jack: No not really. Kenny: How about Horton for Hudler and a 1st. Jack: Are you on crack Kenny? Kenny: No. Ok how about I add a 2nd? Jack: We already have your 2nd from the Bert deal. Kenny: Hey Jack wanna trade Horton? Jack: Bye Kenny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Vanek, Drury, and Briere are all amazing players, and I'd love to see on of them on the wings. However, like everyone is stating I just don't see it happening. They all have big price tags with them. If we didn't sign Bertuzzi then MAYBE! But I still doubt it. and we will most likely sign Bertuizzi, and I hope we do. But you never ever know. Who would of thought back in 2001-2002 the wings would of got Hasek? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calgary Wings Fan 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 I agree , Vanek would be a great addition to the Wings but there's no way that Kenny Holland is dumb enough to offer someone an offer sheet and become an outcast in the NHL. I'm not so sure he would be an outcast. I think as the "new NHL" rolls along here there is going to be more and more offer sheets given out. Maybe not in Detroit's case so much, but teams that are on the verge this could be a great way to get a franchise player. Some people might think the amount of draft picks given out and the "what goes around comes around" is a deterent. But for teams struggling what do they have to lose. You could draft three players and all of them could be great or they could be at best third or fourth line guys. Or you could have a potential francise player for those same draft picks. I guess time will tell, but the unwritten rule to not to give offer sheets will slowly diminish. This is only my opinion so take it as you may Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 That idiot Eklund has the Wings and Flyers rumoured to be going after Vanek via an Offer Sheet this summer but I don't buy it. Holland and Regier are very good friends and I can't see Kenny boy blacklisting himself like that. If Holland did sign Vanek to an Offer Sheet it would be lose/lose. One, Buffalo would just match it anyway. Second, teams would start trying to poach our RFA's and/or not trade with us anymore. Moron Eklund keeps saying more teams are going to signing RFA's to Offer Sheets but I just don't buy it. Mainly because it is an unwritten agreement between teams to not poach each other's RFA's. Clarke did it last year in Philly with Kesler. Vancouver matched it and now Kesler is overpaid for what his role on the team is. Vanek is a heck of a talent but I don't want to see Buffalo come along and sign Zetterberg to a 10 year/$80 million offer sheet when he becomes a RFA, as payback for trying to poach Vanek. What goes around comes around. This would be very hard to accomplish since Zetterberg will never be a RFA. He hits UFA at the end of the 2009 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) I'm not so sure he would be an outcast. I think as the "new NHL" rolls along here there is going to be more and more offer sheets given out. Maybe not in Detroit's case so much, but teams that are on the verge this could be a great way to get a franchise player. Some people might think the amount of draft picks given out and the "what goes around comes around" is a deterent. But for teams struggling what do they have to lose. You could draft three players and all of them could be great or they could be at best third or fourth line guys. Or you could have a potential francise player for those same draft picks. I guess time will tell, but the unwritten rule to not to give offer sheets will slowly diminish. This is only my opinion so take it as you may Maybe outcast was the wrong word to use ( I do that alot .lol.) but even in the new NHL it would be frowned upon by the other GM's if Kenny did make any offer sheet's. As you said It's an unwritten rule between GM's , it's just not the done thing. Edited May 30, 2007 by glasgowcelticwing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZDH Report post Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) This would be very hard to accomplish since Zetterberg will never be a RFA. He hits UFA at the end of the 2009 season. You sure about that? An UFA already? The UFA age must be 27 by then. I know the UFA age lowers each season from here on in if I recall. That just illustrates my point even more. Wings sign Vanek to an Offer Sheet and Buffalo doesn't match. Fast forward to when Z's deal is up and Buffalo offers him an 8 year deal worth $80 million. Detroit matches it (they technically would not have to match with him being an UFA) but then has no Cap space to have any quality depth on their team ala Tampa. For all you nitpickers, this is only a fictional example. Bottom line here...I don't expect to see any poaching this off season. We hear this every summer. THIS WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE RFA OFFER SHEETS. I will believe it when I see it. Edited May 30, 2007 by ZDH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 My personal opinion is that an offer sheet for someone else's RFA is never worth it. All you are accomplishing is driving up the price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 My personal opinion is that an offer sheet for someone else's RFA is never worth it. All you are accomplishing is driving up the price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 My personal opinion is that an offer sheet for someone else's RFA is never worth it. All you are accomplishing is driving up the price. Offer sheets are lazy and they suck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Offer sheets are lazy and they suck! Langer sheets???? Edited May 30, 2007 by glasgowcelticwing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Langer sheets???? Yeah, they should probably be renamed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 You sure about that? An UFA already? The UFA age must be 27 by then. I know the UFA age lowers each season from here on in if I recall. Yes, according to Nhlnumbers.com he becomes UFA at the end of the 08/09 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZDH Report post Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Langer sheets???? LMAO. Offer sheets are lazy and they suck! Come on guys! Leave Lang alone! I know. It's so hard. Poor guy. He didn't deserve this. Or did he? How many worms are in the can I just opened? Ok I'm leaving Lang alone. Really. Seriously. LOL Edited May 30, 2007 by ZDH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 LMAO. Offer sheets are lazy and they suck! Come on guys! Leave Lang alone! I know. It's so hard. Poor guy. He didn't deserve this. Or did he? How many worms are in the can I just opened? Ok I'm leaving Lang alone. Really. Seriously. LOL LMAO. LANGER SHEETS. Offer sheets are lazy and they suck! Come on guys! Leave Lang alone! I know. It's so hard. Poor guy. He didn't deserve this. Or did he? How many worms are in the can I just opened? Ok I'm leaving Lang alone. Really. Seriously. LOL Come on man, we gotta find something or someone new to bash! Offer sheets seem like a good target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Come on man, we gotta find something or someone new to bash! Offer sheets seem like a good target. It's gonna be a loooonnngggg time without Red Wings Hockey , Sadly everything and everyone is a target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted May 30, 2007 It's gonna be a loooonnngggg time without Red Wings Hockey , Sadly everything and everyone is a target. There's no remorse to be found around LGW at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
