should the wings trade kronwall

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

You don't know this.

He's only been in the NHL for what, 2, 3 years?

He could play the next 10 years without any major injuries at all? Not likeliy obviously but nobody here can honestly tell me with 100% confidence that he'll keep having a major injury every 1 or 2 seasons.

It's comical how you put things. Using the only measuring stick we have, which is his career thus far, I will answer your question. Yes, history says that Kronwall will have an injury nearly every year that will cause him to miss a significant chunk of the season.

Back to the topic, I said this before, and I'll say it again. If Kronwall does have so much talent, and he does have so much potential, Kenny would have no trouble moving him for a significant return. And with the depth at D that we have in Grand Rapids, why wouldn't Kenny make that move? Here is why, no one is calling about Kronwall. He may have a lot of potential, but he really isn't that solid. He isn't a spring chicken at 26 (?), and with each injury his development is set back, and his branding as injury prone grows.

I think $3 per we are paying him is too much. Especially when you look at what guys like Matty are getting paid. The only real reason I'd like to see Kronwall go is to get out from under that $3 per cap hit. He is a solid Dman, he has potential to be a steady 3rd or 4th Dman, but currently he isn't worth it. And let's say next year is his 'breakout' year. I still think $3 per is too much for him.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

This was techincally his 3rd season in the NHL. His first 2, last year and 2003-2004, he was injured. This year he managed to play 68 games (I was wrong, it was still less then 70), and was healthy for most of the season. His play still didn't impress me that much at all, even when he was healthy.

But, whatever. I'm willing to give him one more season. But after 4 years in the Wings system, if he still is injured like this, and continues to be slow developing, then I just assume say forget him already. Most prospects like him usually are ready by their 3rd season to be full time players. If he get's hurt again next season, he'll be going into his 5th season, and still not have lived up to his potential.

All his injuries have been freaks , if he could get some luck and stay injury free . then he might get a chance to prove himself.

[SoupGuru 0]

All his injuries have been freaks , if he could get some luck and stay injury free . then he might get a chance to prove himself.

He plays a reckless and risky game. This latest injury to his sacrum/hip/pelvis/whatever happened because when the puck is dumped in by the other team, he thinks he can retrieve it, spin off the boards away from the forechecker, and maintain possession of the puck. How many dmen do that? Not many. How many chip the puck one way or the other and protect themselves from the high flying forechecker? Most of them. And now we know why. Because it's only a matter of time before the forechecker guess which way you're going to spin and BOOM you into the boards with a 100 feet of momentum while you're focused on trying to keep the puck on your stick.

That's just one example of how the way he plays allows himself more opportunities to get "freak" injuries.

[elriqo28 2]

"We'll give you an injury prone young defenseman who isn't all that young for your equally skilled YOUNG defenseman who can play a full season, interested?"

his problem is he takes all the opportunites to make open ice checks which is where he usually hurts himself. he just needs to stay away from those.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

his problem is he takes all the opportunites to make open ice checks which is where he usually hurts himself. he just needs to stay away from those.

...and stop putting himself out of position in his own zone, stop his lame duck passes, start scoring,.....

[Heaton 1]

his problem is he takes all the opportunites to make open ice checks which is where he usually hurts himself. he just needs to stay away from those.

Ignorant comment. How many of his injuries were do to his style of play?

That's just one example of how the way he plays allows himself more opportunities to get "freak" injuries.

It's the _ONLY_ example, and to be honest, it's a weak one. It's taking one thing and making everything about it. How many players go into the corner to take a routine hit to make a play? Uh, how about literally every defensemen in the NHL? How's that?

Edited June 6, 2007 by Heaton

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Ignorant comment. How many of his injuries were do to his style of play?

Even though I dont like him very much , I love his style of play , Hit them to hurt them and finish your checks always. Its tough hockey , if Kronwall played a full season he'd be a pretty good player.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Even though I dont like him very much , I love his style of play , Hit them to hurt them and finish your checks always. Its tough hockey , if Kronwall played a full season he'd be a pretty good player.

I agree, the only problem is, Kronwall doesn't have what it takes to be that kind of player. He gets hurt too much. Yeah, I know, not many of his injuries are a direct result from this style of play. However, he has been injured from this play, and more than likely, he will continue to get injured from this style of play.

[BeeRYCE 2]

It's too early in Kronner's career to consider him an infamous injury prone player (see: Forsberg, Lindros). The two injuries over the least two seasons were unfortunate. He was just struck with bad luck. This season I believe we should forget the past, and move on. We should realize what this guy has accomplished in both AHL and international play, and realize that he has potential. Next year is his time, we just need to be patient.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Next year is his time, we just need to be patient.

That's what they said last year, and the year before, and the year before...

[Kronwall55 0]

Sounds like Kronwall had his share of 'freak' injuries before the NHL

www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,125785,00.html

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Ouch, such an expensive victory

two new injuries - luckily the OG begins soon, Djurgården...

Before the game against Färjestad Djurgården had five men on the injurylist. Afterwards the number was seven.

- So damn typical (doesn't translate very well). Me and a buddy was talking the night before about how good i've managed from getting injuries, says Niklas Kronwall, who thrashed his knee.

Last year it was HV71 and this year it's Djurgården and Brynäs that's had the biggest injuryproblems in elitserien. Five djurgården players was missing from the lineup before the heavyweight meet(?) against Färjestad and it would become even worse already in the first period. The Torpedo (read winger) Mikael "Musse" Håkansson was gonna make a tackle but missed and went into the boards with his head first. Result: a lighter nickinjury

"the knee snapped"

In the shift it was Kronwalls turn to leave the ice. He was gonna make a quick turn and got stuck with the skate. Result: a torn meniscus.

- I felt right away that the right kneee snapped and it hurt like hell. It was only to leave the ice, he says. (poor translation)

Kronwall was examined Djurgårdens doctor Bengt Gustafsson and the diognosis came quickly. The Meniscus is torn. 07.30 o'clock next morning i have to be at St Görans hospital. They aparently need to operate, says Kronwall with a light sigh.

Why did you talk?

Previous years he's suffered heavly from injuries, but this season Kronwall has played all the games.

- We shouldn't have talked about it, he says.

And continues:

- Before the game me and a buddy talked about injuries and he said: "but how healthy you've gotten to be the whole season" (iffy translation). He said "peppar peppar" (sort of like knock on wood) afterwards, but now we know what it ment".

It could've been worse. If the operation goes successfully Niklas Kronwall will be back in a few weeks. When elitserien starts over after the OG (Olympic Games).

- Yeah, luckily it happened now and not in the playoffs.

In less than a week Djurgården has won twice over the favorite of the series Färjestad the spell is broken.

- They won all the games in the beginning of the series, but now we have a psychological advantage over them going into the end of the series, says Kronwall.

The swedish champions are beggining to find the championship form. Despite all the injuries.

[Heaton 1]

That's what they said last year, and the year before, and the year before...

No it isn't.

He's had injuries and it's fine if you call him injury prone, but none of his injuries are related, none are related to his style of play, none are lingering injuries like Forsberg's groin/ankle or Hasek's groin/brain or Yzerman's knee or whatever other example you'd like me to point out. There's plenty of very good players who had injury problems early in their career and went on to be a very important part of their organization.

These trade soandso threads are never thought out, 90% of the people who post in these threads do not incorporate facts and the entire conversation is basically recycled garbage.

His play in international competition and in the AHL is no fluke, he'll continue to grow as a player and hopefully some luck will bounce his way.

Edited June 6, 2007 by Heaton

[Guest DetroitIan]

If it wasn't for him being so incredebly injury prone, I would definitely want him to remain a Red Wing. But who knows how long its gonna be before he's out 4-6 months again. I really like Kronwall's physical game. But thats basically what gets him injured so much. So its like a catch 22. I definitely wouldn't mind too much if we traded him.

Edited June 6, 2007 by DetroitIan

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

No it isn't.

He's had injuries and it's fine if you call him injury prone, but none of his injuries are related, none are related to his style of play, none are lingering injuries like Forsberg's groin/ankle or Hasek's groin/brain or Yzerman's knee or whatever other example you'd like me to point out. There's plenty of very good players who had injury problems early in their career and went on to be a very important part of their organization.

These trade soandso threads are never thought out, 90% of the people who post in these threads do not incorporate facts and the entire conversation is basically recycled garbage.

His play in international competition and in the AHL is no fluke, he'll continue to grow as a player and hopefully some luck will bounce his way.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

He's only played 121 games total in the NHL (115 + 6 playoffs). Despite injuries, he still is in his mid-20s. Anybody who has said that he's getting old in the tooth is being ridiculous. The man has plenty of time to be a solid d-man in the NHL for years to come, he's go at least 8 - 10 good years left in the NHL, at minimum, if he can have some more luck and continue to get more PT and big game experience. And he's going to get a lot of game experience whether we like it or not, at least for the next 4 seasons with the Wings, so we might as well get behind him and hope for the best.