Alfie Goes Unhinged

[seeinred 1,488]

I understand your point, but don't you think the fact that he clearly looked at the scoreboard, pulled out of his wind up, then the puck just happened to hit Niedermayer is a little fishy. One thing that I will add to your POV is that it looks like Beauchemin was in Al's way on his first wind up, which could very well be the reason he didn't shoot initially.

Also, you have to admit that the CBC feed you posted is not objective. Even toward the end of that clip one of the announcers said that Al tried to shoot it at Niedermayer while the other said he wasn't sure.

That being said, I agree that people are making way too big of a deal out of this. Yes it was cheap, if he was trying to shoot it at Niedermayer, but I've seen much worse than the result of the shot. Also, if it was Cheli who had done this, I agree that the majority here would love it. Sad, isn't it.

The NBC clip is horribly biased too. They immediately jump to the conclusion that he was trying to end Niedermayer's career or something and want to crucify him. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but they were anything but objective about it. The only way I'd say there was definitely intent to hit/hurt Niedermayer is if he had been facing the Ottawa end or the side boards or something. It was in the general direction of the net, and a common place for people to dump the puck.

Hey he has a fighting major under his belt too!!

Well one, but he even got the instgator:whoa:

I was wondering about this the other day. Do you know when he got it? And if he has any other majors in his career? None of his career season PIM totals end in an odd number, so he must have had another major that season.

[Guest Crymson]

i personaly dont think alfie whould of done that on purpose no penalty and their is no way he will get suspended since Nidemonger did not get hurt .. still think prongers hit was worse.. but in all fairness mistake or not that could of severly injured Nidemonger and that would of been retarted on alfie's part and then he would of been suspended i think

If you think a shot like that is capable of serious injury, you've got hideous homer goggles on. Do you not notice players blocking shots every game? Gimme a break.

Further: if you've been blind to the hideous lack of sportsmanship on the part of many Anaheim players in this playoff year, you're so far gone that it's not worth speaking with you at all. This is not to say that bad sportsmanship okays revenge in the form of further bad sportsmanship--this is not what I mean. I would not like to see anyone lower themselves in such a fashion.. such is truly a greater blow to the revenger than the revengee, as the former has sold a bit of his or her integrity. Too bad.

[Izzy24 44]

I think this youtube video was better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB7QLSdNn9I&NR=1

Hahahaha, I'd never seen that before, it's hilarious!

[lou 0]

If you think a shot like that is capable of serious injury, you've got hideous homer goggles on. Do you not notice players blocking shots every game? Gimme a break.

Further: if you've been blind to the hideous lack of sportsmanship on the part of many Anaheim players in this playoff year, you're so far gone that it's not worth speaking with you at all. This is not to say that bad sportsmanship okays revenge in the form of further bad sportsmanship--this is not what I mean. I would not like to see anyone lower themselves in such a fashion.. such is truly a greater blow to the revenger than the revengee, as the former has sold a bit of his or her integrity. Too bad.

there is no chance of injury when blocking a shot? wow thats a new one for me ... big hits and refs not seeing penalties is not bad sportsmanship ..... purposely hitting a puck at someone is (not saying it was on purpose ).. elbowing is (pronger)... trying to rip someones face off is..*spezza comes to mind*.... and DIVING is ... (if you catched game 4 you could clearly see a dive from neil and Emery) i think it was neil.... emery even had refs talk to him after Getzlaf i think it was got the penalty .all i have seen from the ducks that are in bad taste is pronger x2 and getzlaf for x checking like there is no tomorrow ....more examples would be welcomed cuz i guess i just cant pick them out all iam asking iam tired of ducks being called the *lone* cheapshot artists

Edited June 6, 2007 by lou

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

All this just makes me appreciate that much more our captain and top defensive player. The worst thing Lidstrom ever does is occasionally take a hooking call - and that's very rare....

Go Nick - take home the Norris!

Hey he has a fighting major under his belt too!!

Well one, but he even got the instgator:whoa:

OK I'm going to have to see if I can youtube this - I can't believe it unless I see it! Maybe he figured if he was to play 20 years in the NHL he would have to have one fighting major to make it legit....

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I was wondering about this the other day. Do you know when he got it? And if he has any other majors in his career? None of his career season PIM totals end in an odd number, so he must have had another major that season.

OK I'm seeing Oct 30, 1991 vs Buffalo - where Lidstrom received the instigator. His fight total is listed as "1" - lol. Stretching it a bit as that was 16 years ago....I couldn't find anything else.

Lidstrom fight card

Edit: in comparison; Bob Probert was the team leader that season with 18 fighting majors! lol those were the good old days...

Edited June 6, 2007 by RockyMountainWingGal

[GoHabs007 0]

Dirty play no doubt about it. I can't think of any time I've ever seen anyone deliberately fire the puck at someone. It doesn't matter what the chances of injury were, that was nothing to do with how unsportsmanlike the play was. And then to top it off, he cheapshot a Duck with a punch to the face and wasn't penalized for it. The linesman was right there, there's no way he shouldn't have gone over to a ref and told him to give him two minutes for roughing.

In the end, though, all he did was piss off Anaheim and made them come out with even more of a purpose in the third period. That was the dumbest part of it. What did he expect to gain by shooting the puck at Neids? And yes, it was deliberate. You can see him wind up to dump, then suddenly stop and look directly at Neids.

And about the NBC coverage, I don't know what you guys are talking about. They called it fairly: a cheap play that has no place in hockey.

[Guest Crymson]

there is no chance of injury when blocking a shot? wow thats a new one for me ... big hits and refs not seeing penalties is not bad sportsmanship ..... purposely hitting a puck at someone is (not saying it was on purpose ).. elbowing is (pronger)... trying to rip someones face off is..*spezza comes to mind*.... and DIVING is ... (if you catched game 4 you could clearly see a dive from neil and Emery) i think it was neil.... emery even had refs talk to him after Getzlaf i think it was got the penalty .all i have seen from the ducks that are in bad taste is pronger x2 and getzlaf for x checking like there is no tomorrow ....more examples would be welcomed cuz i guess i just cant pick them out all iam asking iam tired of ducks being called the *lone* cheapshot artists

You're not the *lone* cheapshot artists; too say that would be silly. You're merely the #1 cheapshot artists.

[lou 0]

You're not the *lone* cheapshot artists; too say that would be silly. You're merely the #1 cheapshot artists.

ok buddy

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

This is ridiculous. Even if Alfie did it on purpose, it wasn't meant to hurt Scotty. Seriously folks, do you think Alfie could have picked a worse place to hit Scotty if indeed the intent was to injure him? Here is something no one else has mentioned, or at least I haven't seen. Could Alfie possibly have meant to hit Scotty, but not with intent to injure him, but rather the simple intent of hitting him to negate the icing? Look at the clip again folks, it's not as bad as you think!

[Guest Crymson]

ok buddy

That we are in agreement makes me feel warm inside.

[lou 0]

That we are in agreement makes me feel warm inside.

[lou 0]

What gets me thinking (now this doesn't happen often ) is what does Scott Neidermayer do to pi$$ off the opposition to get them to react the way they do?

Tie Domi throwing the elbow a few years back in the playoffs, along with Alfie breaking character, & shooting the puck @ Neidermayer...What gives?

Nidemonger ownz all thats why plain and simple

[GoHabs007 0]

Could Alfie possibly have meant to hit Scotty, but not with intent to injure him, but rather the simple intent of hitting him to negate the icing? Look at the clip again folks, it's not as bad as you think!

Yeah, he was worried about icing with two seconds left on the clock.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

The NBC clip is horribly biased too. They immediately jump to the conclusion that he was trying to end Niedermayer's career or something and want to crucify him. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but they were anything but objective about it. The only way I'd say there was definitely intent to hit/hurt Niedermayer is if he had been facing the Ottawa end or the side boards or something. It was in the general direction of the net, and a common place for people to dump the puck.

You need to read the entire conversation I had with HS. It covers everything you just discussed, only from my POV, which differs from yours.

I'm not going to restate things I've already covered in this thread.

[seeinred 1,488]

You need to read the entire conversation I had with HS. It covers everything you just discussed, only from my POV, which differs from yours.

I'm not going to restate things I've already covered in this thread.

Oh, I definitely read it. I obviously just chose to be ignorant and/or forget what I read

OK I'm seeing Oct 30, 1991 vs Buffalo - where Lidstrom received the instigator. His fight total is listed as "1" - lol. Stretching it a bit as that was 16 years ago....I couldn't find anything else.

Lidstrom fight card

Edit: in comparison; Bob Probert was the team leader that season with 18 fighting majors! lol those were the good old days...

And I coulda sworn I checked hockeyfights to see if he had a fight card there... Weird.

[motorcitykid 42]

Nice.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Oh, I definitely read it. I obviously just chose to be ignorant and/or forget what I read

Sarcasm?

If you're being serious, no worries. That'll happen.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Yeah, he was worried about icing with two seconds left on the clock.

Watch the replay Sparky, it was more like 3.9 left. And yes, if you have ever played you know that in the closing seconds of a period, the last thing you want to do is give the other team on opportunity to score. There was plenty of time for Alfie to ice the puck, and the ducks to touch up.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Wow...I thought Jamie McLennan's "chop shop" on Franzen was the lowest moment in the Stanley Cup playoffs. I couldn't believe Alfredsson would blatantly shoot the puck at the legs of Scott Niedermeyer in the closing seconds of the 2nd period. That's like deliberately "head-hunting" a batter in baseball or tackling a guy who is making a lay-up in basketball. That was pure ugliness on the part of Alfredsson. If that puck made direct contact on a knee...Niedermeyer would be out for the series and into the hospital to repair damaged bone material.

To top it off, he cheap shots Travis Moen with a direct punch. I really think the league should suspend Alfredsson for Game 5. Not that it will make a difference because Anaheim is going to win this series anyway.

If I were coach Murray in Ottawa, I would remove the "C" off Alfredsson's jersey and give it to either Chris Neil or Mike Fisher. Those guys are more worthy of the captain position in Ottawa in my opinion.

Here's my take.

1. You don't shoot the puck at anyone intentionally.

2. He shot it at his knees, not at his head. And believe me, if he wanted to get it up high he could've. The fact that he shot it low to me says Alfie wanted to stir things up, fire up his team or maybe he was just frustrated at Niedermayer.

3. I think its WAY BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.

4. As for his shot to the face of Moen, it was an opened handed shot (ooohhhh, big FING deal). Moen came up on Alfie's left, grabbed him and was jawing at him enough to get Alfie to pop him in the kisser. So what. You grab onto a guy in a scrum and start jawing like you want a piece, then expect to get popped in the mush. There wasn't going to be a fight there anyway. Alfredsson isn't going to drop the gloves with Moen. It was a scrum and people get popped in scrums. If you look over the left of the screen I think you can see either Penner or Volchenkov popping each other in the face. And how'd Volchenkov lose his helmet? Probably somebody popped him earlier too. Its a scrum, it was a weak punch and Moen's no worse for wear. He wasn't prepared for it and he went down like he got shot. Looked like the punch heard found the world when frankly my 5 year old punches harder than that.

The bottom line is he shouldn't have done it. At least he kept it low though, coulda been bad had he shot it high.

Anybody calling for him to lose his Captaincy is a goddamned fool though. Seriously, can't color it any other way, you're a fool if you think that.

PS: Scott Niedermayer clubbed Peter Worrell over the head years ago with his stick and got his dumbass suspended I believe. Should he have been able to wear the "C"? s*** happens, Alfredsson is hardly somebody who should be talked about as being dirty. He's a leader and he plays like one. He can play with skill and he can be chippy if that's what's required.

[edicius 3,269]

Finally saw the clip on youtube.

Sorry, but I don't see what the big deal was. Kind of a d*ck move if he intentionally shot it at Niedermayer, but it's not even really clear from the clip if that's what he was doing.

watch this Youtube clip with more obective commentating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9jvHxHWIY&NR=1

I'm curious, was Niedermayer reprimanded after that skirmish? After watching that clip, it looked like Niedermayer swung his fist dangerously close to the ref's head while the ref tried to distance him from Alfredsson. Yeah, yeah, I'm reaching.

Maybe...and this is a big maybe...Alfredsson was trying to get a deflection off Niedermayer's stick, confuse Giguere and get a huge goal at the end of the period. Maybe. Probably not, though.

Edited June 6, 2007 by edicius

[Guest micah]

We have not one cheapshot artist on this team.

:rotflmao:

[OsGOD 3]

I'm curious, was Niedermayer reprimanded after that skirmish? After watching that clip, it looked like Niedermayer swung his fist dangerously close to the ref's head while the ref tried to distance him from Alfredsson. Yeah, yeah, I'm reaching.

Arrr, me would not say you be too off base... Dom did get a penalty for wa'in' near a player if my memory ser'es me right

[seeinred 1,488]

Sarcasm?

If you're being serious, no worries. That'll happen.

No, I'm being totally serious. I've been watching this thread since the beginning, so I saw your posts. I either just misunderstood them or forgot or something. My apologies.

[elriqo28 2]

Wow...I thought Jamie McLennan's "chop shop" on Franzen was the lowest moment in the Stanley Cup playoffs. I couldn't believe Alfredsson would blatantly shoot the puck at the legs of Scott Niedermeyer in the closing seconds of the 2nd period. That's like deliberately "head-hunting" a batter in baseball or tackling a guy who is making a lay-up in basketball. That was pure ugliness on the part of Alfredsson. If that puck made direct contact on a knee...Niedermeyer would be out for the series and into the hospital to repair damaged bone material.

To top it off, he cheap shots Travis Moen with a direct punch. I really think the league should suspend Alfredsson for Game 5. Not that it will make a difference because Anaheim is going to win this series anyway.

If I were coach Murray in Ottawa, I would remove the "C" off Alfredsson's jersey and give it to either Chris Neil or Mike Fisher. Those guys are more worthy of the captain position in Ottawa in my opinion.

if your afraid of the puck, get off the ice!!!!