Would you trade Samuelsson for Lapointe?

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Would I trade for Marty? this is a no brainer of course I would he may not score 30 goals a year but he would hold people accountable when taking liberties with are star players he can fight can put the biscut in the basket and he is very gritty I dont know if I would give up Sammy maybe Bootland and some other prospect

[poolerman 0]

In a new york minute! i loved lapointe when he was here, and yeah he has cooled down since he left, but hes in chicago what do you expect. He is a little over paid but other than that he is physical for an older guy and i like that! Sammy is ok but hes so streaky it makes m want to rip out my hair. One week he is on the money, the next 3 weeks he is shooting the puck every chance he gets and hitting nothing but the symbol on the goalies chest, it drives me crazy. not much of a talented passer, and gives the puck up alot, but i guess you could say that about alot of players. I like lapointe and would do it in a minute.

With that said......it will never happen!

Marty's time as a wing has passed and so has his ability and his passion..

want to trade Sammy get something back...Lapointe doesn't have it any more

too slow and too peacefull..forget Marty

[eva unit zero 271]

Trading Samuelsson for Marty probably means our chances of keeping Schneider are gone. So who do we have on the point for the PP? Lidstrom, Kronwall, Lebda, and Chelios?

Samuelsson is a better scorer and defensive forward than Lapointe. Lapointe is the more gritty, physical guy.

The Wings were not lacking grit or physical play during the playoffs. They were lacking scoring. Ensuring that Samuelsson and Schneider are not on the team by dealing for Lapointe only weakens the Wings offensively.

[Guest Crymson]

Trading Samuelsson for Marty probably means our chances of keeping Schneider are gone. So who do we have on the point for the PP? Lidstrom, Kronwall, Lebda, and Chelios?

Samuelsson is a better scorer and defensive forward than Lapointe. Lapointe is the more gritty, physical guy.

The Wings were not lacking grit or physical play during the playoffs. They were lacking scoring. Ensuring that Samuelsson and Schneider are not on the team by dealing for Lapointe only weakens the Wings offensively.

But.. but... he was on the good teams in '97 and '98! We NEED him!

EDIT: total sarcasm.

Edited June 25, 2007 by Crymson

[Guest snowman89]

I try, but it's like watching a car wreck. You know you shouldn't watch, but you just can't seem to look away.

I completely agree! He is not the only one with the same opinion about you! Dont Forget!

Oh Wait!

I almost forgot to comment on Lapointe! Dont you remember how horrible he was when he left detroit? He took so many bad penalities!

But.. but... he was on the good teams in '97 and '98! We NEED him!

While we are at it, lets bring back bob rouse, jaime macoun, doug brown, etc. they were all great THAT year. There time has passed we need to move forward, I will always love lapointe for those special years, but he is old.

Do you intentionally start threads with idiotic ideas just to get a responce from people?

I love you man!!

[Guest Crymson]

What do you all have against Sammy? He works hard every shift and he can score goals and his contract is cheap. He is a steal! He played the point because he was the best option available. Also he looks like he enjoys when the play gets a bit dirty which is a rare quality in the team.

The expert here in sweden had him as favorite player. Someone with very unbiased opinions, calle johansson. Do we see something that you dont?

So I agree with some others, lets save the space for something greater.

What do they have against Sammy? Why, he's vulnerable to being used in a trade for a nostalgia piece--that's what!!

[Hank 0]

YES!

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

But.. but... he was on the good teams in '97 and '98! We NEED him!

EDIT: total sarcasm.

dude will you lay off the 10 yrs ago bs ???? chelios is 45 and still playing good ,people like you were probably bitching when we picked him up towards the end of his career , or so we thought

Now i told you a hundred times if you dont like marty then suggest a player , you said we can get one on the market and i have yet to hear one name from you , only one guy mentioned asham , any suggestiions ?????

Oh Wait!

While we are at it, lets bring back bob rouse, jaime macoun, doug brown, etc. they were all great THAT year. There time has passed we need to move forward, I will always love lapointe for those special years, but he is old.

I love you man!!

nice way to over exagerate, lapointe is only 33 you guys act like hes 50 , selanne is 38 and still puttin in 40-50 goals , players are still performing at an older age

What do they have against Sammy? Why, he's vulnerable to being used in a trade for a nostalgia piece--that's what!!

will you quit it with that nostalgia s*** ?? if you dont have something new to say then dont bother with the comments

[wingsfan40 0]

I think i would rather keep Sammy and work on signing Bert

[superstarsingh 23]

How are you going to put Martin Lapointe in a comparative category with Teemu Selanne and Chris Chelios? Selanne and Chelios are two of the better players of their generation. Martin Lapointe is a role player, we have enough of them. Chelios and Selanne are able to excel because they are just flat out better than Lapointe, more skilled. They are also in better shape. Players are still performing at a high level at older ages yes, but those guys were elite players in the past. Lapointe was never ever an elite hockey player. He played on a line with Shanahan and I think that is something that you have overlooked greatly.

[Guest snowman89]

How are you going to put Martin Lapointe in a comparative category with Teemu Selanne and Chris Chelios? Selanne and Chelios are two of the better players of their generation. Martin Lapointe is a role player, we have enough of them. Chelios and Selanne are able to excel because they are just flat out better than Lapointe, more skilled. They are also in better shape. Players are still performing at a high level at older ages yes, but those guys were elite players in the past. Lapointe was never ever an elite hockey player. He played on a line with Shanahan and I think that is something that you have overlooked greatly.

Thank You! I love this guy also! I am glad I am not the only one deeply disturbed by his line of thinking. I heard that Boyd Deveraux was available, oh wait what about Mark Mowers, lets trade Franzen and Filpula......

[superstarsingh 23]

Okay, he is 33 even though he will be 34 when the season starts. I have no problem with older players. But the fact that he won cups with us in the past is not a reason to bring him back. D-Mac won cups with us and I think he was better than Lapointe. Should we bring him back? He is only 35. He is a better fighter and he is a good locker room guy. But no, it does not mean we should sign him. We are moving in a new direction and we do not need Lapointe or McCarty.

Thank You! I love this guy also! I am glad I am not the only one deeply disturbed by his line of thinking. I heard that Boyd Deveraux was available, oh wait what about Mark Mowers, lets trade Franzen and Filpula......

Every off season we deal with threads that implies the thought of us re-acquiring a Wing of past (97 or 98). Feds, Kozlov, Lapointe, McCarty. Last summer, Aaron Ward was available and I along with a lot of other board members thought he would be a good guy to sign. Why? Because he had just won a Stanley Cup and he was a big reason to his team's success and he is still a solid defenseman. It had nothing to do with the fact that he won cups with us in the past. We have to live in the present. Fedorov, McCarty and Lapointe have all seen their better days in hockey and we should not get any of them back. I am a HUGE Feds fan and I would love to see him come back, but in the REAL world I do not want it to happen because the Red Wings are an NHL hockey team not some shop that collects past nostaligic items. Kozlov, imo is a catch 22. He is clearly capable at playing at a very high level as his stats from last season show but do we need him? We need secondary scoring and he could provide that, but do we need another small forward? No. When you look at re-acquiring a player, it must be thought out in a mindset of the present as in "what can this guy do to help our team out NOW" not "look what this guy DID to help our team out THEN." Ignorance pisses me off like you would not beleive.

[Guest snowman89]

Okay, he is 33 even though he will be 34 when the season starts. I have no problem with older players. But the fact that he won cups with us in the past is not a reason to bring him back. D-Mac won cups with us and I think he was better than Lapointe. Should we bring him back? He is only 35. He is a better fighter and he is a good locker room guy. But no, it does not mean we should sign him. We are moving in a new direction and we do not need Lapointe or McCarty.

Every off season we deal with threads that implies the thought of us re-acquiring a Wing of past (97 or 98). Feds, Kozlov, Lapointe, McCarty. Last summer, Aaron Ward was available and I along with a lot of other board members thought he would be a good guy to sign. Why? Because he had just won a Stanley Cup and he was a big reason to his team's success and he is still a solid defenseman. It had nothing to do with the fact that he won cups with us in the past. We have to live in the present. Fedorov, McCarty and Lapointe have all seen their better days in hockey and we should not get any of them back. I am a HUGE Feds fan and I would love to see him come back, but in the REAL world I do not want it to happen because the Red Wings are an NHL hockey team not some shop that collects past nostaligic items. Kozlov, imo is a catch 22. He is clearly capable at playing at a very high level as his stats from last season show but do we need him? We need secondary scoring and he could provide that, but do we need another small forward? No. When you look at re-acquiring a player, it must be thought out in a mindset of the present as in "what can this guy do to help our team out NOW" not "look what this guy DID to help our team out THEN." Ignorance pisses me off like you would not beleive.

YES!!!! This why I love(in a plutonic kind of way) you once again! You are 100% correct.

[superstarsingh 23]

Selanne was still a strong hockey player. He was well and capable of sucess, he played well when he was a Shark but the one bad year he had as an Av is the only bad thing I can remember about him. Again, it seems as though Lapointe and Selanne are ebing thrown into the same category. Selanne was, is an will always be looked at as an elite goal scorer in the NHL. He is/was far more likely to elevate a team to success. It almost seems as if you're saying if Lapointe comes back he will influence us and we will win the cup. Bullocks, if Lapointe came back to Detroit, he would not help us, we would not win the cup and if we did win the cup Lapointe would not deserve credit for winning it. Now, Selanne went back to Anaheim and won a cup, try to find someone that thinks Anaheim could have won it without Selanne, you wont be able to. Selanne is an impact player, Lapointe is a role player, a third liner as you said. A team can only have so many third liners, and we have ours already buddy so just drop it. Fedorov WAS elite yes, when he left us and left his linemates behind he was not much. He had 33 goals with the Ducks I believe, but he has done dick all ever since leaving us as far as I am concerned.

Bringing people back if the price is right is highly nostalgic when you are speaking of players who were once on our team and presently will not be able to make a great contribution.

We have experience and a lot of it. We have leaders, Chelios, Draper, Lids, Maltby, Zetterberg, Hasek are all experienced leaders.

Reason for Edit: Too pissed off to contain myself after seeing F. Michael's post.

Oh and snowman, you are a good man.

To, F. Michael

Guys on our roster that can play on our third line next season:

Draper, Maltby, Cleary, Franzen, Filppula, Kopecky. That is 6 guys, two lines of guys who could potentially be third liners. Flip probably wont be on the third, I say second. But we have five grinder like guys. Cleary, Franzen and Kopecky also make nothing compared to Lapointe and are not nearly as old as he is.

Edited June 25, 2007 by superstarsingh

[Guest DetroitIan]

1st off relax - no reason for you to be "pissed off".

2nd I don't ever recall comparing Lapointe, & Selanne as to say a Stanley Cup parade route should be planned if Lapointe came back...What I am saying is that Lapointe is capable of playing solid physical 2-way hockey with the ability to "watch over", & protect/stand up for our young skilled players such as Dats, Hank, Flip, Kroner, & Hudler. Once again does anyone remember how Hank hurt his back? Having our young elite players injured due to other teams thuggery is a wonderful way to ruin a season; even worse is nobody stood up to those thugs in Philly.

3rd hockey if I recall is a team sport; Selanne def helped, but in all honesty I believe the Ducks this year would have won it without him given their level of depth.

I completely agree. Selanne was definitely a contributer. But their depth would have gotten them just as far.

[Guest Agalloch]

Marty is horrible now. Like Crymson, I really hate how people constantly suggest that we bring back people that were on the team a decade ago. Most of them are washed up, and are wanted back purely because people miss them, not because they're good.

I'd rather have Samuelsson, even though I don't like him.

[superstarsingh 23]

1st off relax - no reason for you to be "pissed off".

2nd I don't ever recall comparing Lapointe, & Selanne as to say a Stanley Cup parade route should be planned if Lapointe came back...What I am saying is that Lapointe is capable of playing solid physical 2-way hockey with the ability to "watch over", & protect/stand up for our young skilled players such as Dats, Hank, Flip, Kroner, & Hudler. Once again does anyone remember how Hank hurt his back? Having our young elite players injured due to other teams thuggery is a wonderful way to ruin a season; even worse is nobody stood up to those thugs in Philly.

3rd hockey if I recall is a team sport; Selanne def helped, but in all honesty I believe the Ducks this year would have won it without him given their level of depth.

Bottom line is, we have role players. We do not have room for Marty. We have solid two way players who play physical. We just do not have a fighter. Our past playoff campaign showed that we can be physical. You do not need to fight to win. A protecting player would be okay, but it is not at the top of the priority list.

Now, as for the statement seen in bold above. Selanne had 15 points in the playoffs, 5 goals, 2 game winners. I know Anaheim has depth, but to replace Selanne's leadership, drive to win and his production is not possible. Getzlaf and Perry both had great numbers but to say that they would have won without Selanne come on, wake up dude.

[superstarsingh 23]

Did I say anything about Neidermayer, Pronger and Giggy not being a reason? No. Those guys are all on defense and they did a great job of holding down the fort. But Selanne held his own on the offensive side of things. All in all, Teemu was an integral part of them winning the cup.

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

How are you going to put Martin Lapointe in a comparative category with Teemu Selanne and Chris Chelios? Selanne and Chelios are two of the better players of their generation. Martin Lapointe is a role player, we have enough of them. Chelios and Selanne are able to excel because they are just flat out better than Lapointe, more skilled. They are also in better shape. Players are still performing at a high level at older ages yes, but those guys were elite players in the past. Lapointe was never ever an elite hockey player. He played on a line with Shanahan and I think that is something that you have overlooked greatly.

jesus christ wtf is wrong with you people , im not comparing him to teemu selanne or chelios in the sense that marty is one of the best nhl players in the league im just putting it out there how ridiculous you guys are for saying marty is 33 when there are alot older players playing and contributing , 33 isnt that old now a days players such as marty keep themselves in great shape, please dont tell me selanne is in better shape then marty, marty trains like a mad man.........and quit looking at stats cause marty was never a stat guy if you only look at stats to tell if a player is good or not then i feel sorry for you , brendan shanahan wasnt the reason he hit players and was willing to fight for his team

you say we got enough role players so we dont need marty ? do we have enough guys who can not only play the game but stand up for teammates and fight , while none the less being a physical presence and getting in peoples faces ?? thats right we got none , and please dont tell me we dont need someone who at times will stand up and fight cause we were fine this year , unless you forgot we lost zetterberg for a long time , and nearly lost holmstrom , we wont be so lucky next time , your niave if you think teams are afraid of taking shots at us, theyll keep doing it and knock out our best guys to win a series

Okay, he is 33 even though he will be 34 when the season starts. I have no problem with older players. But the fact that he won cups with us in the past is not a reason to bring him back. D-Mac won cups with us and I think he was better than Lapointe. Should we bring him back? He is only 35. He is a better fighter and he is a good locker room guy. But no, it does not mean we should sign him. We are moving in a new direction and we do not need Lapointe or McCarty.

Every off season we deal with threads that implies the thought of us re-acquiring a Wing of past (97 or 98). Feds, Kozlov, Lapointe, McCarty. Last summer, Aaron Ward was available and I along with a lot of other board members thought he would be a good guy to sign. Why? Because he had just won a Stanley Cup and he was a big reason to his team's success and he is still a solid defenseman. It had nothing to do with the fact that he won cups with us in the past. We have to live in the present. Fedorov, McCarty and Lapointe have all seen their better days in hockey and we should not get any of them back. I am a HUGE Feds fan and I would love to see him come back, but in the REAL world I do not want it to happen because the Red Wings are an NHL hockey team not some shop that collects past nostaligic items. Kozlov, imo is a catch 22. He is clearly capable at playing at a very high level as his stats from last season show but do we need him? We need secondary scoring and he could provide that, but do we need another small forward? No. When you look at re-acquiring a player, it must be thought out in a mindset of the present as in "what can this guy do to help our team out NOW" not "look what this guy DID to help our team out THEN." Ignorance pisses me off like you would not beleive.

jesus christ do i have to repeat myself a hundred times before you guys listen ??? this has nothing to do with the fact that he was a wing , it has everything to do with what he can do ........i've said it a hundred times but no one answered except for one of you guys ......

.if you know anyone else we can get besides marty that can do the same thing then feel free to throw out suggestions like the other guy did with asham , but for the love of god stop f'n mentioning the fact that i want him here is only cause he was a wing

Selanne going back to Anaheim only helped win the Cup.

Fedorov was an elite player...I'd say he still has some mileage left in that body where he's alot better than most players in the league.

McCarty is washed-up; too many injuries have worn out DMac.

Lapointe is still a solid 3rd line player, and has a few years left in him. What does he bring? Well leadership, physical play, experiene, and of course he will not let our better players get manhandled...Do I want him back? Yes I would, but I wouldn't go outta my way to bring him back, & only if the "price is right", & if other UFA options are unattainable.

i dont agree with fedorov , something happened to him since he left us and hes not the same guy at all , maybe losing anna kournikova to enrique has gotten to him more then we know lmao

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

I completely agree. Selanne was definitely a contributer. But their depth would have gotten them just as far.

agreed , selanne was invincible in most games , they had giggy , 2 norris winners , perry penner and getzlaf, mcdonald ........selanne has an amazing regular season but i think the ducks would of prevailed and won it anyways , it just seemed to be there year , they got some nice bounces

Marty is horrible now. Like Crymson, I really hate how people constantly suggest that we bring back people that were on the team a decade ago. Most of them are washed up, and are wanted back purely because people miss them, not because they're good.

I'd rather have Samuelsson, even though I don't like him.

forget the fact that draper is with us and never left ..............if he was traded say 7 yrs ago and we were talking about getting him back now ........would you be pissed cause he was here all those years ago ?? or would you actually use your common sense for once and realize that hes still a great player for what his role is ?? forget the fact that hes not a 20+ scorer

Bottom line is, we have role players. We do not have room for Marty. We have solid two way players who play physical. We just do not have a fighter. Our past playoff campaign showed that we can be physical. You do not need to fight to win. A protecting player would be okay, but it is not at the top of the priority list.

Now, as for the statement seen in bold above. Selanne had 15 points in the playoffs, 5 goals, 2 game winners. I know Anaheim has depth, but to replace Selanne's leadership, drive to win and his production is not possible. Getzlaf and Perry both had great numbers but to say that they would have won without Selanne come on, wake up dude.

they wouldnt of been able to replace selanne's leadership lmfao ya ok , the guys never been to the finals im sure his stanley cup playoff experience led them all the way, nevermind neidermayers 3 cup wins, giggys mvp win 5 yrs ago , pronger making it to the finals last season ........without selanne's leadership they wouldnt of won .......i think your the one who needs to wake up

[Guest DetroitIan]

or would you actually use your common sense for once and realize that hes still a great player for what his role is ??

Common sense and Agalloch really cant be in the same sentence. Unless of course you were to say, Agalloch has zero commen sense. LOL This kid spouts his mouth off when he's obviously clueless.

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

Did I say anything about Neidermayer, Pronger and Giggy not being a reason? No. Those guys are all on defense and they did a great job of holding down the fort. But Selanne held his own on the offensive side of things. All in all, Teemu was an integral part of them winning the cup.

getzlaf 7 goals

perry 6

mcdonald 10

moen 7

pahlsson 3 goals 12 pts

rob neidermayer 5 goals

penner 3 goals

ya dude without selanne they would of been lost and wouldnt of been able to win it all lmao ........oh btw if selanne wasnt there they would of gotten some other guy who could of been a 30+ scorer and could of at least gotten 5 goals through 4 rounds , trust me they would of been just fine minus selanne , selanne is the lucky one to have came back to the ducks and get his ring

Many will argue that defense wins championships...Yeah Selanne did his part; if he were out/not playing for 1 reason or another I'd say the Ducks were still in a position of winning it all. It's not as though their success hinged on Selanne, & Selanne only - remember it's a team sport, & the team as a whole contributed, & they won.

We're off topic - are we not?

I stand by my original answer; yes I would like to have Martin Lapointe back for what he can provide which I have stated numerous times already...I'd prefer only to have Marty if he "came cheap", or an even-up trade for Samuelsson, & if Holland made every attempt to sign other UFA's that would be of greater benefit to the team.

exactly .......its a team sport and they would of prevailed anyways

and as for marty sure id love to have him here for say 800 k on the free agent market but it is what it is , until and if the hawks buy him out hes worth 2.4 .........now if the wings can get asham or someone who can bring to us what marty can then im all for it , marty was just a name i threw out there who i think can do the job, his past has nothing to do with it , regardless of what you guys think

Common sense and Agalloch really cant be in the same sentence. Unless of course you were to say, Agalloch has zero commen sense. LOL This kid spouts his mouth off when he's obviously clueless.

lol ya most people here just seem to look at a player's stats to determine if hes good or not

[Guest Crymson]

This thread is, in the end, total immaterial. There are MANY players in the NHL who can score and fight. Keep in mind that Marty is not really a scorer. He's also hideous on defense, and he takes hideous penalties on a regular basis. Better options exist. More importantly, we don't need him. Teams will not be afraid of Martin Lapointe. Having Martin Lapointe on the team will not keep Chris Pronger and Jordin TooToo from running our players. We do not need an extra physical presence. We outhit Calgary and San Jose, and stood up hit-for-hit against Anaheim. Samuelsson can score and can play on the PP. Marty cannot. Samuelsson does not take imbecilic penalties. Marty does. Marty is expensive. Sammy is not. On top of this, we will never get Marty for Sammy, which is in the end what makes this thread utterly academic.

My opinion on the origins of this post, in the end? People are nostalgic, and want players from the old days no matter if they can no longer play well or will not fit in on today's team. Better options exist than Lapointe, but names like his and Darren's come up constantly anyway and are touted above all others. Fedorov, Shanahan and others constantly re-emerge on here as well. The past is gone--leave it behind.

Common sense and Agalloch really cant be in the same sentence. Unless of course you were to say, Agalloch has zero commen sense. LOL This kid spouts his mouth off when he's obviously clueless.

Pretty ironic, coming from you.

Edited June 26, 2007 by Crymson

[Guest DetroitIan]

Pretty ironic, coming from you.

Dont even know who you are. Never heard of nor seen you before. You must have a real big impact on the boards pal. The band of computer nerds must stick together eh? lol Isnt there some star trek episode you're missing right now? Hurry up! Go! You're world is a play button away! Wooooooooooooooo!

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

This thread is, in the end, total immaterial. There are MANY players in the NHL who can score and fight. Keep in mind that Marty is not really a scorer. He's also hideous on defense, and he takes hideous penalties on a regular basis. Better options exist. More importantly, we don't need him. Teams will not be afraid of Martin Lapointe. Having Martin Lapointe on the team will not keep Chris Pronger and Jordin TooToo from running our players. We do not need an extra physical presence. We outhit Calgary and San Jose, and stood up hit-for-hit against Anaheim. Samuelsson can score and can play on the PP. Marty cannot. Samuelsson does not take imbecilic penalties. Marty does. Marty is expensive. Sammy is not. On top of this, we will never get Marty for Sammy, which is in the end what makes this thread utterly academic.

My opinion on the origins of this post, in the end? People are nostalgic, and want players from the old days no matter if they can no longer play well or will not fit in on today's team. Better options exist than Lapointe, but names like his and Darren's come up constantly anyway and are touted above all others. Fedorov, Shanahan and others constantly re-emerge on here as well. The past is gone--leave it behind.

there are many players who can score and fight but how many are available ??? you have yet to mention one player who you think we can get who youd think would fit here , its pointless talking to you , you just like to complain

I can tell you one thing maybe teams wont stop trying to take out some guys on our team , but at least with someone who can stand up for our guys and show we wont take their s*** is better then not having anyone here , you all keep forgetting how lucky we were holmstrom came back in the playoffs , we might not be so lucky next time

And i dont agree with you that samuelsson can score and play on the powerplay , obviously it helps the guy that he plays with the wings , and it helps that he takes 400 shots , cause most of his shots are way off and hit the goalies chest, its pathetic ........and he cant play the powerplay hes just awful on the point and is always turning over the puck , because of him teams had more then enough chances to score shorthanded , hes not as good as you think he is hes just surrounded by a good team .........

.and i never mentioned mccarty and i wouldnt want him back , you just seem obsessed into thinking that i only want old wings players to come back , you wont listen to me so theres no point talking to you

Edited June 26, 2007 by kindlwillbegreat