Bergeron Hurt

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I don't see the inconsistency. It was a hit from behind during the normal course of play. No deliberate intent to injure. I would say almost every big suspension ever handed down has either been from assaulting an official or really nasty stick work. The 2 notable exceptions are Dale Hunter and Bertuzzi, and I'm pretty sure we can agree that this wasn't as bad as any of those.

Remember how many Lemieux got for his hit on Draper?

Do you remember what a joke that was?

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Do you remember what a joke that was?

There is a couple major difference between Jones and Lemieux, though.

Jones was already initiating his hit when Bergeron began to turn. Lemieux began his hit with Draper already facing away.

Jones was hitting Bergeron as he came into possession of the puck. Lemieux hit Draper after the play had left the area.

Jones' hit was far less suspension-worthy than Lemieux's. I feel Jones should have received closer to five games, but I can accept two. Lemieux getting two was a horrendous decision.

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I guess I can live with two games, not that I have an influence or any choice now. In some way though the Flyers organization needs to be held accountable. This was, as an organization, its third offense this season, which is not even a month old. Something is rotten in the city of Brotherly Love.

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There is a couple major difference between Jones and Lemieux, though.

Jones was already initiating his hit when Bergeron began to turn. Lemieux began his hit with Draper already facing away.

Jones was hitting Bergeron as he came into possession of the puck. Lemieux hit Draper after the play had left the area.

Jones' hit was far less suspension-worthy than Lemieux's. I feel Jones should have received closer to five games, but I can accept two. Lemieux getting two was a horrendous decision.

My point was that hits from behind don't ever net huge suspensions if they happen during the course of play, not that Lemieux got a fair suspension.

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There is a couple major difference between Jones and Lemieux, though.

Jones was already initiating his hit when Bergeron began to turn. Lemieux began his hit with Draper already facing away.

Jones was hitting Bergeron as he came into possession of the puck. Lemieux hit Draper after the play had left the area.

Jones' hit was far less suspension-worthy than Lemieux's. I feel Jones should have received closer to five games, but I can accept two. Lemieux getting two was a horrendous decision.

Wrong, watch the

, it's pretty clear that from the moment Bergeron crossed the goal line, Jones could read his numbers. Contact is made by Jones as Bergeron is releasing the puck, and obviously it's clear that it was from behind.

Far less worthy? How so? I'd agree it wasn't as severe. I'd agree that Lemieux is far more 'worth' of a much more harsh penalty than Jones. But both his, without a doubt, meet the criteria for suspension. One is no more of a suspendable hit.

My point was that hits from behind don't ever net huge suspensions if they happen during the course of play, not that Lemieux got a fair suspension.

Hits from behind that are as violent as this do result in suspension. Just as Chris Pronger.

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Wrong, watch the

, it's pretty clear that from the moment Bergeron crossed the goal line, Jones could read his numbers. Contact is made by Jones as Bergeron is releasing the puck, and obviously it's clear that it was from behind.

Far less worthy? How so? I'd agree it wasn't as severe. I'd agree that Lemieux is far more 'worth' of a much more harsh penalty than Jones. But both his, without a doubt, meet the criteria for suspension. One is no more of a suspendable hit.

Bergeron basically cut across in front of Jones right at the goal line; before Bergeron cross the goal line, he was not even in front of Jones. It's not like Jones was trailing him and then rammed him into the boards. And Jones began his hit as Bergeron arrived at the puck. Lemieux's hit was so late that it came after Joe Sakic pulled up off of what was going to be a hit because Draper had dished the puck. Bergeron was in a situation where he knew, or should have known, that he might end up being hit. Draper had no reason to expect that he would be hit at that point. Take a look here:

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Bergeron basically cut across in front of Jones right at the goal line; before Bergeron cross the goal line, he was not even in front of Jones. It's not like Jones was trailing him and then rammed him into the boards. And Jones began his hit as Bergeron arrived at the puck. Lemieux's hit was so late that it came after Joe Sakic pulled up off of what was going to be a hit because Draper had dished the puck. Bergeron was in a situation where he knew, or should have known, that he might end up being hit. Draper had no reason to expect that he would be hit at that point. Take a look here:

We could sit here and debate when this hit was started all day. But I don't feel like wasting the bandwidth. The bottom line is that Jones hit Bergeron from behind. It doesn't matter if Bergeron had the puck or not, he was driven into the dasher by Jones, from behind. Regardless, my argument still stands, how is this hit less suspendable? I will concede that Lemieux should have been suspended longer than Jones. However, both hits are just as worthy of a suspension.

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update from the Boston Globe....

GM Peter Chiarelli provided an update on Patrice Bergeron, who suffered a Grade 3 concussion six days ago when Philadelphia defenseman Randy Jones belted him into the TD Banknorth Garden boards.

"He could be out a month. He could be out two months. He could be out a year," Chiarelli said.

Chiarelli said that Bergeron can hold a conversation for several minutes, but then becomes tired and loses focus. Bergeron wakes up once or twice each night and is wears a neck collar during the day. He is sedentary and can watch TV, but becomes distracted easily, according to Chiarelli.

Perhaps the most disturbing news was that Bergeron required a wheelchair to travel from his home to the Garden for treatment several days ago. Bergeron usually walks to the Garden for games and practices.

"I was told at one point that it was pretty certain he had broken his neck," said Chiarelli. "He's very well-conditioned. He's strong up top with the [trapezoid muscles], shoulders, and neck. But for that, he probably would have broken his neck."

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins...rons_condi.html

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That's very sad news.

IMO a player should be out just as long as the player he hit is out.

Maybe then these kind of hits will cease.

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That's very sad news.

IMO a player should be out just as long as the player he hit is out.

Maybe then these kind of hits will cease.

That's good in theory, but it's not fair in some situations. Randy Jones' hit was a dirty one, but one that happens a lot in hockey. Why should he have to be out longer than everyone else who hits from behind just because Bergeron got hurt by some fluke. Then there's clean hits and otherwise borderline things too. I am warm to the idea for very obvious intent to injure plays though, a la Simon, Boulerice.

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That's good in theory, but it's not fair in some situations. Randy Jones' hit was a dirty one, but one that happens a lot in hockey. Why should he have to be out longer than everyone else who hits from behind just because Bergeron got hurt by some fluke. Then there's clean hits and otherwise borderline things too. I am warm to the idea for very obvious intent to injure plays though, a la Simon, Boulerice.

I understand that. Something extreme needs to be done IMO to stop a player from hitting another player in the back.

It seems to me it will take a death before the League changes its ways.

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We could sit here and debate when this hit was started all day. But I don't feel like wasting the bandwidth. The bottom line is that Jones hit Bergeron from behind. It doesn't matter if Bergeron had the puck or not, he was driven into the dasher by Jones, from behind. Regardless, my argument still stands, how is this hit less suspendable? I will concede that Lemieux should have been suspended longer than Jones. However, both hits are just as worthy of a suspension.

If you had bothered to read any of my comments, I have said Jones should have received between 5-10 games. My argument was that Lemieux deserved significantly more, and the ONLY thing these hits have in common is that they were hits from behind into the boards.

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from Sportsnet.....

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2007/11/08/...relli_bergeron/

BOSTON -- 'Career-ending injury' is not usually a phrase associated with 22-year-old NHL players, but Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli was not able to rule it out after meeting with Patrice Bergeron on Wednesday.

"You can't rule that out," Chiarelli told the Boston Herald after a Wednesday meeting. "I'd like to think he's young and strong, this is his first concussion, and it won’t be career ending."

Bergeron suffered a concussion and broken nose when he was hammered into the boards by Flyers forward Randy Jones. Now, nearly two weeks after the incident, Bergeron is unable to sustain even five minutes of continuous activity.

"He can't move his head. There is still some severe whiplash. He had to lay down and rest after three or four minutes of activity," Chiarelli said.

Jones received a two game suspension for the hit. He is the third Flyers' player (Jesse Boulerice, Steve Downie) to be suspended by the NHL this season.

This past Friday Chiarelli was forced to defend Bergeron after many hockey observers commented that Bergeron was partly at fault for what happened.

"It really irks me," Chiarelli told Sportsnet then. "It irks our organization for some people to suggest that Patrice Bergeron is partly at fault for this incident. I don't see how that can be a theory. Everyone has the right to speak their opinion, but what's the alternative? How's he supposed to go in to retrieve that puck?"

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That is s***ty News all around.

Edited November 8, 2007 by OsGOD

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from Sportsnet.....

Bergeron suffered a concussion and broken nose when he was hammered into the boards by Flyers forward Randy Jones. Now, nearly two weeks after the incident, Bergeron is unable to sustain even five minutes of continuous activity.

It doesn't take a lot from a concussion to really mess you up. I have a friend that slipped on a patch of ice in the parking lot at work this January and hit his head. He came to bloodied and phoned a co-worker to come look for him (he didn't know where he was). For months he had serious short term memory problems, he couldn't go out by himself for many months because he'd get lost only a block or two from home. 10+ months later he still cannot concentrate on a task for more than a couple of hours. He tried going back to work after being off for several months (he's an engineer), but after a few hours he'd become mentally exhausted and to retire to a quiet place and sleep. Finally, his manager asked him to go on full-time disability. Since then, Medically, he's been officially "cleared", so he isn't collecting workman's comp anymore... but neurologically something's still not right. They been forced to get food stamps in the meantime and his wife has taken a part time job.

As a result of all of this, I've developed a healthy respect for concussions and will wear a helmet (sans cage) even a public open skates... and so do my kids.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Gizmo

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Press conference.

http://www.boston.com/partners/worldnow/ne...continuous=true

He sounds half asleep in that entire interview, he is a very vibrant young man who usually conducts interviews with a lot of energy.

Hopefully he gets back on the ice soon.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Opie

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It's too bad for Bergeron, and he's so young and has talent. I really hope he gets better and will be able to skate and play in the NHL again..