FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted November 6, 2007 and i think Neidermayer will come back eventually, which will still give them a good shot at the playoffs, even if it were only an 8 seed it doesnt matter. That may very well be the case,but it won't matter. They don't have the hunger to win it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted November 6, 2007 I definitely didnt see this struggle coming...i thought they'd be able to avoid the hangover. The talent is obviously still there,...and i think Neidermayer will come back eventually Nider says decision before xmas... story here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Nider says decision before xmas... story here He's coming back. He's just giving himself a nice long vacation. I'm sure he's already got it worked out with Burke. His whole "retirement" is a joke, and abuse of the CBA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Screams of collusion to me or at least a variation of it (player and owner instead of owner A and owner B). The league shouldn't allow it to happen. Either don't allow Niedermayer to return (suspend him for the entire season) or make the Ducks pay his entire salary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Screams of collusion to me or at least a variation of it (player and owner instead of owner A and owner B). The league shouldn't allow it to happen. Either don't allow Niedermayer to return (suspend him for the entire season) or make the Ducks pay his entire salary. I agree 100% !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 They lost too many players the early part of this season. Couple of Hall Of Famers and a few All Stars to boot. Too much to overcome. The Ducks need to get healthy and settle these ridiculous "retirement" issues before they're going to start winning again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 the ducks have 14pts in 16 games the wings have 23pts in 14 games wow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Screams of collusion to me or at least a variation of it (player and owner instead of owner A and owner B). The league shouldn't allow it to happen. Either don't allow Niedermayer to return (suspend him for the entire season) or make the Ducks pay his entire salary. Hear, hear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FUUFNF 1 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Screams of collusion to me or at least a variation of it (player and owner instead of owner A and owner B). The league shouldn't allow it to happen. Either don't allow Niedermayer to return (suspend him for the entire season) or make the Ducks pay his entire salary. or make him clear waivers or something similar in effect. otherwise this will set a bad precedent for teams to bring in ringers come playoff time with minimal impact against their salary cap figures. a very possible douchebag move, but i wouldn't put it past burke to try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsgirl001 983 Report post Posted November 7, 2007 Yikes, 5-0? That reaally sucks man, sorry about that. It's never fun to see your team struggle. PS - Happy birthday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 8, 2007 I definitely didnt see this struggle coming...i thought they'd be able to avoid the hangover. The talent is obviously still there,...and i think Neidermayer will come back eventually, which will still give them a good shot at the playoffs, even if it were only an 8 seed it doesnt matter. My feeling is there trying to hold off Neidermayer returning for as long as possible for cap reasons (mutual between Scott and Burke), with the optimal return being the midpoint in the season. But if that was indeed the plan, it may have to be sped up!!! What talent is still there? They are missing arguably their top 3 offensive contributors from last season, one (neids) will be back, another (selanne) may come back, maybe with them, maybe not, the other (penner) they will not get back. This team is severely lacking offensively proven talent. Hence the fact that they have a hard damn time scoring more than 3 goals a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 8, 2007 What talent is still there? They are missing arguably their top 3 offensive contributors from last season, one (neids) will be back, another (selanne) may come back, maybe with them, maybe not, the other (penner) they will not get back. This team is severely lacking offensively proven talent. Hence the fact that they have a hard damn time scoring more than 3 goals a game. Opie, the Wings have 5 players in double-digit scoring. 3 forwards and 2 dmen. The Ducks have 4 players in double digits. 3 forwards and 1 dman. I have zero doubt that had Schnieder not missed all those games or if Niedermayer was there, the numbers would be identical. What proven scoring talent to they have? How about these: Schnieder-we know he can score Pronger-we know he can score Kunits-19 goals and 25 goals the past 2 years Perry-17 goals last year Getzlaf-25 goals last year McDonald-34 goals, 85 pts 2 years ago, 27 goals, 78 points last year and they get secondary scoring, much like Cleary and Sammy for us in guys like Rob Niedermayer Pahlsson Bertuzzi (injured) They have plenty of offense. They've just missed a catalyst for it. Schnieder coming back helps and Niedermay if he comes back will seriously help. They are a team to be reckoned with. And let us not forget, they are still the biggest, toughest team in the league and that's nothing to scoff at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 8, 2007 Opie, the Wings have 5 players in double-digit scoring. 3 forwards and 2 dmen. The Ducks have 4 players in double digits. 3 forwards and 1 dman. I have zero doubt that had Schnieder not missed all those games or if Niedermayer was there, the numbers would be identical. What proven scoring talent to they have? How about these: Schnieder-we know he can score Pronger-we know he can score Kunits-19 goals and 25 goals the past 2 years Perry-17 goals last year Getzlaf-25 goals last year McDonald-34 goals, 85 pts 2 years ago, 27 goals, 78 points last year and they get secondary scoring, much like Cleary and Sammy for us in guys like Rob Niedermayer Pahlsson Bertuzzi (injured) They have plenty of offense. They've just missed a catalyst for it. Schnieder coming back helps and Niedermay if he comes back will seriously help. They are a team to be reckoned with. And let us not forget, they are still the biggest, toughest team in the league and that's nothing to scoff at. I would say the wings have 4 proven offensive talents Dats, Z, Ralf,and Lids I never said they had more than that. Cleary and Sammy are not proven offensive players, and neither is Homer. Homer has proven that Z and Dats can make any one a goal scorer, not that he can create on his own. Last year a lot of these guys benefited from the fact that Teemu had an MVP type season. He was doing the set up work and a lot of the scoring Bertuzzi no longer a proven scorer, he is now proven he is an injured commodity. Kunits, please dude that is like saying Sammy is a proven scorer, Sammy is a good role player but that is it. Perry, seriously proven offensive player. Getzlaf, again I said proven. McDonald I will give you. Pahlson, when I say proven I mean a player who can go out and produce a 60+ point season Schneider (even though most of his points are ppa and a) and Pronger (not as good offensively as Lids or Ralf) sure. R. Neidermayer he is as proven a scorer as Homer. According to the players you listed and what they have done you would have considered Jim Carrey a hall of fame goaltender. One or two years can easily be a fluke, or can be that a guy is benefiting from a world class player on their line. One year does not make a guy a proven scorer, just ask this board if they think Sammy is a proven offensive talent. He has done as much in the last two years as half of the guys you listed. I said this when the other thread went around and you all jumped on me: Teemu and Penner took with them the following production ( I am not calling Penner proven by any means either) Selanne and Penner are going to be considered - numbers and Bertuzzi and Schneids will be + Anaheim's gains from Bert and Schneids= Goals + 13 -77 = loss of 64 Assists + 43 - 62 loss of 19 Points + 56 - 139 loss of 83 PPG + 2 - 34 loss of 32 PPA + 30 - 30 Even (thanks solely to Schneids) GP + 76 - 164 Loss of 98 (both players played in all 82 and were #1 and #2 scorers goal wise) They will have to find a way to make up 64 goals included in that are 25 ppg. This team is not the same team without Teemu, I would venture that his return is more important than Neids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNutt 12 Report post Posted November 8, 2007 no offense to Duck Guy, but I give two s***s about Anaheim. They are a dirty team and deserve getting their ass handed to them. and Selanne will not be back, like us hoping Yzerman will be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
