Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[russianswede919293 95]

A report in a Montreal newspaper over a delivery of gloves forHossa turned out to be for Marcel of the Rangers, not Marian of theThrashers.

This link says that the same source cites that there were 2 shipments, one for marcel one for marian...

I'm not saying I necessarilly believe it but they are sticking too it...

Plus RDS says that there were gloves made for him for Montreal, Minnesotta and Boston...

[Dominator2005 558]

EDMONTON JOURNAL: Jim Matheson reports sources say Oilers GM Kevin Lowe may be pursuing Atlanta Thrashers forward Marian Hossa. Matheson admits it seems unlikely Hossa would agree to remain with the Oilers after this season but notes Lowe could tempt him with a big dollar contract, which would be easy to pay given new owner Daryl Katz's pledge to keep pace with the salary cap each year. Hossa's agent also likes Katz.

SPECTOR'S NOTE: Anything's possible, but if one takes Hossa at his word, he's only interested in going to a Stanley Cup contender, as he wants to win a Cup within the next five years while he's still in his prime. The Oilers have promising talent but they're a long way from Cup contention.

Edited February 22, 2008 by Dominator2005

[VM1138 1,921]

This link says that the same source cites that there were 2 shipments, one for marcel one for marian...

I'm not saying I necessarilly believe it but they are sticking too it...

Plus RDS says that there were gloves made for him for Montreal, Minnesotta and Boston...

It's all bull, if nothing else I thnk it's been established that no one knows where Hossa is going, not even the GMs.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

At this point, I couldnt care less what happens, I just want to see the big trade that is gonna set the other trades in motion. As long as San Jose, Anaheim, or Ottawa doesnt get Hosa, then I dont really care.

[VM1138 1,921]

At this point, I couldnt care less what happens, I just want to see the big trade that is gonna set the other trades in motion. As long as San Jose, Anaheim, or Ottawa doesnt get Hosa, then I dont really care.

If we don't get Hossa I'd like to see him go someplace like Edmonton where he wouldn't be a threat to us.

[Opie 308]

If we don't get Hossa I'd like to see him go someplace like Edmonton where he wouldn't be a threat to us.

The more I read about this the more I see him coming to Beantown.

Boston is looking to get rid of Murray (impact player) and has said publicly that any trade they do will include Kessel, for some reason they don't see him as an integral part of the future. I think with Bergereon and Lucic they see that being the focal points.

So Kessel, Murray, and a pick for Hossa.

Murray was a hot commodity at the start of the season, it was rumored (however much you trust that) Murray and a 2nd to Dallas for Robidas, looking back on it the B's should have jumped all over that!

[Viperar 16]

The more I read about this the more I see him coming to Beantown.

Boston is looking to get rid of Murray (impact player) and has said publicly that any trade they do will include Kessel, for some reason they don't see him as an integral part of the future. I think with Bergereon and Lucic they see that being the focal points.

So Kessel, Murray, and a pick for Hossa.

Murray was a hot commodity at the start of the season, it was rumored (however much you trust that) Murray and a 2nd to Dallas for Robidas, looking back on it the B's should have jumped all over that!

Hossa wants to win the cup...beantown isn't the right place for that

[Opie 308]

He has said he wants to win a cup, because you or I think Boston is a bad place to do that, doesn't mean he thinks that. He may be arrogant and think he could put them over the edge, maybe he really wants money. Players and Orgs say a lot of things they don't mean. And if Boston makes the Playoffs they have the same chance as Det, and with Hossa they have a better chance than they do with Murray!

[Viperar 16]

He has said he wants to win a cup, because you or I think Boston is a bad place to do that, doesn't mean he thinks that. He may be arrogant and think he could put them over the edge, maybe he really wants money. Players and Orgs say a lot of things they don't mean. And if Boston makes the Playoffs they have the same chance as Det, and with Hossa they have a better chance than they do with Murray!

If it was about the money, I am pretty sure he would stick it out with Atlanta because I am sure ATL would throw out the money he is asking for. He simply does not want to be stuck on a team that isnt going anywhere. Boston is still years away from winning a cup, while they have improved. If money is truly his issue, why not stay in Atlanta?

Boston having the same chances as Detroit is a ridiculous claim. I am not trying to come off as cocky, and I realize what happened with edomonton and the 8 seed. But still, the probability of Detroit going further into the playoffs is much higher than Boston, and in Hossa's mind if thats what he wants, I would assume Detroit is a better place for him to go.

[Opie 308]

If it was about the money, I am pretty sure he would stick it out with Atlanta because I am sure ATL would throw out the money he is asking for. He simply does not want to be stuck on a team that isnt going anywhere. Boston is still years away from winning a cup, while they have improved. If money is truly his issue, why not stay in Atlanta?

Boston having the same chances as Detroit is a ridiculous claim. I am not trying to come off as cocky, and I realize what happened with edomonton and the 8 seed. But still, the probability of Detroit going further into the playoffs is much higher than Boston, and in Hossa's mind if thats what he wants, I would assume Detroit is a better place for him to go.

While yes the odds in vegas are better on the Wings, the B's and Wings and all other teams in the playoffs have a1 in 16 chance of winning the cup.

[Viperar 16]

While yes the odds in vegas are better on the Wings, the B's and Wings and all other teams in the playoffs have a1 in 16 chance of winning the cup.

in an idealistic world maybe, but realistically I disagree. The random fluke sometimes comes into play, but if youre a player and you want a team that is going to win the cup. Do you say hmmm...do I go to detroit who yes sometimes struggles in the post season, but have the best regular season record and last year made the conference finals, in a matchup that could have gone either way, and they seem to be better this year? Or Boston, who is much improved this year but still has a way to go, and this current team has proven nothing in the playoffs.

Idealistically you can argue that yes every team has the same chances. But lets be realistic, are you gonna go to vegas and bet on Boston going deeper than Detroit just because it is possible? I am sure the answer would be no, and I think Hossa sees it the same way. Just my opinion.

[Opie 308]

Random fluke, Really so all of the teams recently that won the pres trophy and then didn't win the cup or eliminated in the first round are flukes. Like Atlanta getting owned by the rags last year, that was a fluke, or as you stated Edm Det, Det LAK, do I really need to keep going with this.

[Viperar 16]

Random fluke, Really so all of the teams recently that won the pres trophy and then didn't win the cup or eliminated in the first round are flukes. Like Atlanta getting owned by the rags last year, that was a fluke, or as you stated Edm Det, Det LAK, do I really need to keep going with this.

The two examples you specifically state are detroit, which i admitted to us having a lousy record recently in the post-season. That is history, it is a different team now. Look where we got last year, and I believe we are better this year.

Yes they are still flukes. I won't argue with you anymore about this because it seems you're being stubborn. I recommend you place your money on Hossa going to boston, and we'll see where your money goes.

[lets go pavel 2]

if all 16 playoff teams were dropped in a hat and the stanley cup was awarded to the team pulled out then all 16 teams would have an equal chance of winning, including boston and detroit ... however, until they drop the playoff format in favor of the pull-from-a-hat, the stanley cup is going to be determined on ice, and on ice some teams have a better probability than others -- hence the different odds in vegas ... if hossa's main goal is to win and win now, then just like in vegas, the odds are better of him doing that here than in boston ... not guaranteed, but better ...

[Opie 308]

I am being stubborn, how am I anymore more stubborn than you,

I am saying the possibility exists and you are telling me no.

I will agree with you that Detroit does have the talent and ability that makes them a wiser bet, yes I already said that, but to say that Detroit has better chances than Bos is mathematically incorrect.

Ottawa (4) beating Buffalo (1) last year

Colorado (7) beating Dallas (2) 2006

Anaheim (6) beating Calgary (3) 2006

Edmonton (8) beating Detroit (1) 2006

Montreal (7) beating Boston (2) 2004

Calgary (6) beating Detroit (1) 2004

Calgary (6) beating San Jose (2) 2004

Anaheim (7)Sweeping Detroit (2) 2003

Anaheim (7) Beating Dallas (1) 2003 IN 2003 a 7 and a 6 seed played in the WCF.

Do I need to continue?

[dallas27 7]

While yes the odds in vegas are better on the Wings, the B's and Wings and all other teams in the playoffs have a1 in 16 chance of winning the cup.

So if the Lions were to somehow make the playoffs do they have the same chance as let's say New England?

The answer is no.

[Opie 308]

So if the Lions were to somehow make the playoffs do they have the same chance as let's say New England?

The answer is no.

Why not the Giants were a wild card team and they beat the undefeated Pats, and when the Pats won their first they were facing the greatest show on Turf, and were a wild card team.

But thanks for helping me prove my point!!!!

[dallas27 7]

Why not the Giants were a wild card team and they beat the undefeated Pats, and when the Pats won their first they were facing the greatest show on Turf, and were a wild card team.

But thanks for helping me prove my point!!!!

LMAO, you don't watch football do you?

*edit* I will give you all the money I have when the Lions beat New England or any team of that caliber in the playoffs.

Edited February 22, 2008 by dallas27

[Opie 308]

LMAO, you don't watch football do you?

*edit* I will give you all the money I have when the Lions beat New England or any team of that caliber in the playoffs.

What is so hard to understand THE GIANTS JUST BEAT THE PATS, yet I am the one who doesn't watch football!

If the Lions were good enough to make the playoffs they would presumably have been a wild card team. The Giants who are a wild card team won the super bowl. Yes the odds in vegas and the betting community is smarter to put their money on the pats, however had you put your life savings on the pats you would be one broke Mo-Fo!!!!

[po-GoWings 1]

guys calm down the lions will never make the playoffs. And no not every team in the playoffs has a 1 in 16 chance of winning the cup. The better teams have a better chance.

[Opie 308]

if all 16 playoff teams were dropped in a hat and the stanley cup was awarded to the team pulled out then all 16 teams would have an equal chance of winning, including boston and detroit ... however, until they drop the playoff format in favor of the pull-from-a-hat, the stanley cup is going to be determined on ice, and on ice some teams have a better probability than others -- hence the different odds in vegas ... if hossa's main goal is to win and win now, then just like in vegas, the odds are better of him doing that here than in boston ... not guaranteed, but better ...

I couldn't agree more, but when people say he will not go there they have no basis to say that. Unless they know Marion closely and know some fact that the rest of us don't. He may have talked to Kovie and heard that playing with Savard would be awesome, maybe he looks at the team and says wow with me they could be a legit contender. Besides Hossa, no one knows what is going on in his head.

But yes odds are in Det favor but like the Superbowl that is why they play the game!!!!

[dallas27 7]

What is so hard to understand THE GIANTS JUST BEAT THE PATS, yet I am the one who doesn't watch football!

If the Lions were good enough to make the playoffs they would presumably have been a wild card team. The Giants who are a wild card team won the super bowl. Yes the odds in vegas and the betting community is smarter to put their money on the pats, however had you put your life savings on the pats you would be one broke Mo-Fo!!!!

I never said that I didn't understand that.

I have a question: Why do they call it upsets if all teams are equal?

[Opie 308]

I never said that I didn't understand that.

I have a question: Why do they call it upsets if all teams are equal?

Because of the Odds not the chances!

Yes the better team is the odds on favorite I never argued that, what I argued is that upsets are not that flukey, especially in Hockey if you look at the last couple of years. Playoffs that are more than one game per round will favor the better team, but the better team does not always win, see the other post I did with playoff upsets since 2003.

They are upsets because people like you or me or Barry Melrose think that one team SHOULD beat the other, that doesn't mean anything in terms of what the chances of a team winning are.

When I say chances please do not correlate that to odds, those are two completely different things.

Each team in the first round has 7 chances to win 4 games. The odds are that the better team will win. See what I mean!

[Dominator2005 558]

Canadiens still hot for Hossa

TheFourthPeriod.com

The Montreal Canadiens are actively trying to acquire a top-line winger and GM Bob Gainey remains on Marian Hossa's trail.

Amid reports that the Canadiens were close to acquiring Hossa from the Atlanta Thrashers earlier this week, the two sides continue to talk.

Montreal's La Presse reported that the Canadiens order custom gloves for Hossa, although it turned out to be his brother's, Marcel, who plays for the Rangers.

The Habs are atop the list of teams interested in Hossa. Boston, Ottawa, Detroit, San Jose and Pittsburgh have all made inquiries.

La Presse suggests the likes of Michael Ryder and Mark Streit could be packaged in a deal for Hossa, although TFP has learned that the Thrashers want Chris Higgins as part of a deal.

Hossa, 29, is set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer and the Habs would want to sign him to an immediate extension if they acquire him.

In addition to Hossa, the Canadiens have expressed an interest in Calgary's Alex Tanguay, Tampa Bay's Brad Richards, Toronto's Mats Sundin, Chicago's Martin Havlat and Edmonton's Jarret Stoll.

TSN reported earlier this week that the Habs could be working on a deal for Tanguay that would send Ryder and a draft pick to the Flames. In turn, the Flames would use the freed up cap space to acquire a top-line forward.

[Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard]

hossa would be a great pick up, remember what datsyuk did for hull in dats first few seasons, imagine him with the nhl experience he lacked then but with a legitimate sniper. Dats is a set up man, with a scoring touch he'd do really well with hossa.