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#21 imisssergei

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ March 31, 2008 - 12:29AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not true. The goal judge's only purpose is to determine whether or not the puck is in the net. The goal light has absolutely no bearing on whether the goal counts; if the referee determines the puck crossed the line legally before time was up, even if the goal light didn't come on, it's a goal.
If they implemented what I have been calling for for years, the goal light would be used for exactly this purpose, among others. I have been asking for YEARS for the NHL to implement a system based on FoxTrax puck technology that uses a system of sensors in the goal frame to determine if the puck enters the net, and when. This system would completely eliminate 'manual' goal judges, and would automatically stop the clock if the puck completely entered the net. Obviously, it wouldn't necessarily signal a valid goal had been scored...but the play would still be over.

This could also eliminate situations where you know the puck crossed the line, but it can't be proven with conclusive visual evidence.
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Posted 30 March 2008 - 11:42 PM

QUOTE (#19=Legend @ March 30, 2008 - 10:39PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone find video? Bacause I rember that game clear as day and I swear Drapes scored with around 23 seconds, then Lidstrom with around 7 seconds, Datsyuk OT with .2 seconds.



I posted Datsyuk's OT goal on youtube a while ago. The only thing is, it dosen't have the other goals or a replay. Better than nothing I guess.


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#23 NeverForgetMac25

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (Echolalia @ March 29, 2008 - 11:14PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There was a game a couple years ago around late December where Datsyuk scored with two tenths of a second left in overtime to win the game. It was all the more sweeter, because with 5 minutes left before the end of the third, the Wings were down by two goals.



QUOTE (Valtteri Filppula @ March 30, 2008 - 04:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to hijack the thread...but...
I was at that game, I stayed until the end and, well, it was awesome...I was getting heckled all night because I had wings stuff on...a little poetic justice at the end. thumbup.gif

I was at that game as well, and as it was pointed out, the Wings were down by 2 heading in to the final minute of the third. They either scored with 37 & 9 seconds left or 39 & 7 seconds left in the third period. Either way, the goal Dats scored literally took the war room in Toronto over 10 minutes and upwards of 15 to determine if it was completely over the line.

Edited by Never Forget Mac #25, 31 March 2008 - 12:37 PM.

It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


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#24 NeverForgetMac25

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 12:38 PM

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I remember that game too. Man, the Blackhawks sucked bad then.

Then?
It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


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#25 scsgoal31

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ March 31, 2008 - 12:31AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The time of the goal is expressed in minutes and seconds, rounded to the nearest second. If the goal is scored with less than half a second left, the time of the goal is 20:00.
That, however, does not explain why they wouldn't have dropped the puck. If there was enough time for the goal to count, they should have dropped the puck. The horn would have gone instantly, but they still technically should have had a faceoff.



Certainly not true. All goals are rounded to the highest second remaining. You don't normally see tenths of seconds until the game is under 1 minutes. A goal scored w/ 59.4 seconds left will be marked at 19:00. A goal scored w/ 22.1 will be recorded at 19:37 and finally, in our example above, NO goal should ever be recorded at 20:00. If the time was more than 0.0 seconds than the goal must be recorded as 19:59.


EDIT: This is shown by the game sheet of the game in question found at : http://stats.theahl....game_id=1004548

The goal was recorded at 19:59, not 20:00..just a mistake by the PA announcer.

Edited by scsgoal31, 31 March 2008 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 07:32 PM

http://www.nhl.com/s...06/GS020519.HTM

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 07:37 PM

How amazing am I: http://www.nhl.tv/te...=20052006,2,519

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 08:20 PM

If the goal went in under 1.0 left to play they will just call it a goal at the 20:00 minute mark.
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Posted 31 March 2008 - 08:28 PM

QUOTE (HadThomasVokounOn4thStreet @ March 31, 2008 - 09:20PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the goal went in under 1.0 left to play they will just call it a goal at the 20:00 minute mark.


Sorry to ruin your username, but he says Fort Street...just saying.

Umm Datsyuk is a beast. I wish I could have seen that game. I would have been spazzing out.

Edited by wingnut40, 31 March 2008 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 10:15 PM

You know, the more I read about these posts, the more I wonder if this could be one of those stats that is dependent on the scorekeeper.

Example: We all remember that devistating hit Clearly put on Fanooof in the playoffs last year. The official scorekeeper didn't rule it a hit.

So maybe, just maybe, it's up to the scorekeeper to decide whether or not to round the time up or down?
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 01:18 AM

you can get the highlights of the detroit-chicago game people have been talking about on nhl.com with the highlight machine. dec 23 2005. and just for the record it was draper at 19:21, lidstrom at 19:53, and datsyuk at 4:59 of OT. it's great because they have the fsnd feed on the highlights, so it's great to hear ken daniels absolutely flipping out when lidstrom scores the tying goal. i'd like to see a more compete replay because after lidstrom's goal, khabibulin seems to be complaining that the puck was kicked in. i'm not sure how it could have been since it was a long-distance shot that scored. maybe he thought it was deflected or something. maybe he was just so stunned that he got scored on twice in the last thirty nine seconds of the game that surely there had to be SOME reason (other than him just getting owned) that the puck went in.
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (imisssergei @ March 31, 2008 - 09:15PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, the more I read about these posts, the more I wonder if this could be one of those stats that is dependent on the scorekeeper.

Example: We all remember that devistating hit Clearly put on Fanooof in the playoffs last year. The official scorekeeper didn't rule it a hit.

So maybe, just maybe, it's up to the scorekeeper to decide whether or not to round the time up or down?

I don't think so, and the Detroit/Chicago game from 12/23/05 confirms this. Dats scored with literally less than 0.1 seconds left in OT, and the goal was recorded at 4:59. You can't score at the 20:00 minute mark or the 5:00 mark of OT.
It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


"They are the best team in the world. They are a team that can just take over when they want to," Chicago's Patrick Kane said (of the Detroit Red Wings).





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