poxer 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 salary cap-----> no ryan miller. not a chance. unless we dumped some talent to get him. which IMO is giving more than were getting. lets wait til ozzy gives up more than 1 goal in 154 min to fetch a new netminder. (i realize he wont be on this tear forever but hey ride it til the wheels fall off as they say...) You don't think Miller would take a pay cut to play in Detroit? If I had the chance to play in Detroit, in my home state, I would for SURE take a pay cut. I think Miller would take a pay cut if the option came up. As much as I like Howard, if we had Miller I'd be even happier. You can't totally blame Miller for this season, his team was pretty bad too. But then again, who is to say this even going to happen? Hard to live in the future when we have Osgood who has been tearing it up and Howard who has been good in the AHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Detroit is not a team that usually throws money at the goaltending issue. I can recall sending Cujo to the minors a few years ago. That is throwing money at goaltending. We've been thrifty lately, but face it- our tenders are either old or inexperienced. I'm not saying Miller is the answer, but there is still a question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webwing91 4 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Seems like we spend more time on this board concerned about the future and "what if" scenarios then enjoying what is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
asmith18 3 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 I would love a Ozzie/Miller combo! Ryan has stated he wanted to play for Detroit. Heck he'd have Abdelkader on the team too. He has a store in East Lansing, it would work out really good for him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Sometimes a goalie doesn't have much in front of him, and Buffalo was/is depleted by free agency. Not every team has the luxury of the defensive team that Detroit carries. This a judgement widely held by Buffalo fans. Im not making this comment as a bystander. This is a widely held believe in the hockey world. Miller was average this year. And it wasnt the first time. Are the Sabres a run and gun team? Yes. But there are certain indicators that prove a goaltender is still an elite player even when his team is an offensive juggernaut with a disregard for defense, or simply a team with a weak overall defensive game. Roberto Luongo was a testament to this in his Florida days as others have been in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Seems like we spend more time on this board concerned about the future and "what if" scenarios then enjoying what is. Thats because many of us have the capacity to enjoy both at the same time. Shocking I know. Im sorry you werent blessed with the same attribute.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Sometimes a goalie doesn't have much in front of him, and Buffalo was/is depleted by free agency. Not every team has the luxury of the defensive team that Detroit carries. Exactly. So what's the point in spending $5-6M/yr on a goalie we don't need? Jimmy was better at Maine than Miller was at State. With the Wings in front of him Jimmy is going to be phenomenal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Im not saying 5M, but looking at the overall numbers for those goaltenders is deceiving in it of itself. Ryan Miller as of now is on par with Rick Dipietro in terms of would-be salary and performance. He did not by any means have a strong year this year and there have been some complaints about him in the past from Sabres fans. I think hes a good goalie, but hes still far from elite and has done nothing to prove that he deserves a big paycheck similar to that of Kipper, Giguer, Lundqvist, etc. Those guys are Vezina material. Also, if Miller were to sign with the Wings, I cant see him getting any less than a 4-5 year contract. Hes not a liability in terms of age and he doesnt have an injury history, so it would be a no-brainer to lock him up longterm. I think lack of material success (nominations, trophies, playoff wins) in conjunction with the fact that he would be locked up long-term means it wouldnt be far out of the question to see this guy get something in the 5-5.5 million range. I really think he lacks the wow factor that got a lot of those goaltenders their contracts.. You are telling my Miller has done so much less than Lundqvist, seriously, so that would mean that you blame Miller for the lack of success he had in Buffalo this year with that bunch of AHLers in front of him. That team was a bad as Nashville to start the season. The only reason we are talking about Miller to the Wings is because Buffalo can't or chooses not to keep any talent around. How far has Miller gone in the playoffs, how far has Lundqvist gone, how many cups do each of them have? IMO, Miller and Lundqvist are a great comparison, both seem to be netminders of the future, how much they get paid is all a bunch of guess work. I just put that up because some one said he would make at least 5 mil, and I was of the opinion he will get a lot more than that. I have a feeling Tampa will throw a lot of money his way, they just lost Brad Richards and Prospal contracts, they need a netminder bad, and if they knew Detroit was the front runner offering 6.6 (a random number) they would offer 7. But I think they trade for Miller before he hits free agency. Buffalo does not want to lose him for nothing, EDM would be another team that would be hot for Miller. But either way this(UFA signing) cannot happen until after next season, which is probably perfect timing for Det and horrible timing for Tampa, they need something now and he won't be available, unless they throw a huge player back to Buf, for trade until into the season. But Det gets to see J-Ho for about 25 maybe 30 games, they have the steady net play of Ozzie to lead J-ho and be a mentor for him. If that combo looks bad or J-ho looks like he isn't cut out for it, they have the opportunity to look other directions, including going after Miller, the next season! I can recall sending Cujo to the minors a few years ago. That is throwing money at goaltending. We've been thrifty lately, but face it- our tenders are either old or inexperienced. I'm not saying Miller is the answer, but there is still a question. Yeah that would be why I said USUALLY, there is always an exception to the rule if you look for it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 Exactly. So what's the point in spending $5-6M/yr on a goalie we don't need? Jimmy was better at Maine than Miller was at State. With the Wings in front of him Jimmy is going to be phenomenal. My real worry with this kid is in college (I haven't seen much of him in GR) he thrived on lots of shots, the more shots the better he got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Wed have a better chance of getting something for him now? No. We wouldnt. Wed get more for him after hes been seasoned behind Chris Osgood for a year and has valuable NHL experience. Only if he's good, if he's not..he will have no value at all. Howard is lucky if he can play 20+ games?? Yeah youre right. Because Osgood has played anywhere close to 60+ games recently. Except not. Osgood has played over 60 games all of 4 times in his entire career. And he hasnt played anything over 43 in 4 years. Not to mention, Im sure Babcock is going to want to play a 36 year old for 60+ games when its practically a give that the Wings are playing the extra season every year. In fact, only 14 goaltenders in the entire NHL played more than 60 games. And yeah, it would sure be great coaching to have a rookie goaltender as your 2nd string only to have him ride the pine for over 75% of the season. In fact, all of the rookie goaltenders who were playing back-up (not third string) this season played in at least 23 games. Because Ozzie was no.2, Hasek (or someone else) was no.1. Do you really think that ROOKIE goalie will play more than 20 games? Okay, you say 23..but definitely not 40. Not to mention..theres this thing called the cap. Sure. Right when Hank is up for a new contract, lets sign a goaltender whos going to cost easily 3x as much as Howard, and if its Miller were talking about, then well over 6x what wed be paying Howard. But first, lets trade away a legit goaltending prospect who will *maybe* land us something that could make an NHL roster or could be a depth player...and lets do that before we even know how good he can be. Cap will go up. Hasek's current Cap hit is 4mil. If he retires, we will have enough room for Miller, because cap hit for next year will likely be 56mil. When Z is up for new contract, Cap hit will most likely be over or very close to 60mil. If we keep Howard..it might be good. But if there is any chance we can get elite and still young goalie, we should go for it. I hope we resign Stuart and get rid of Howard, Lilja, Lebda and get Miller..it would be awesome. Then we can give more ice time to Meech and Ericsson..another plus. Even if we have to trade Filppula to make room..it's worth it. Our lineup: Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Homer Filppula/Someone else - Franzen - Cleary Maltby - Draper - Samuelsson Hudler - Helm - McCarty/Downey/Abdelkader Lidstrom Rafalski Kronner Stuart Chelios Meech/Ericsson Miller Osgood Edited April 22, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
