crosby IS better than dats, or z

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

ON OFFENSE...i have to give it to him he probably is one of the greatest offensive players i've ever seen BUT....to say he's better than dats or z is just a lack of knowing what it takes to be the best player....is crosby nominated for the selke like dats and z? NO...theres a reason...and its because dats and z can play AMAZING both ways. Maybe crosby is better than them offensively (and even that is calling it close) but not as an all around player, which everyone knows that to be the best, you have to play amazingly on both ends, like dats and z. hank or dats are both better than crosbitch as all around players

[Ozzie30 170]

ON OFFENSE...i have to give it to him he probably is one of the greatest offensive players i've ever seen BUT....to say he's better than dats or z is just a lack of knowing what it takes to be the best player....is crosby nominated for the selke like dats and z? NO...theres a reason...and its because dats and z can play AMAZING both ways. Maybe crosby is better than them offensively (and even that is calling it close) but not as an all around player, which everyone knows that to be the best, you have to play amazingly on both ends, like dats and z. hank or dats are both better than crosbitch as all around players

Fail.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

If we're strictly talking offense, I would say Z is the better natural scorer than Crosby. Don't get me wrong, Crosby is probably the better set-up man then Z or even Dats (who is the Wings best set-up man) for that matter, but natural scoring has the scale tipped in Z's direction.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Fail.

Why did he "Fail"? I thought he brought up some great points, but I had a slightly different outlook on the situation.

[CAredwingsfan91 28]

that was amazingly amazing.

[tony 3]

Why did he "Fail"? I thought he brought up some great points, but I had a slightly different outlook on the situation.

no its true he failed

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

If we're strictly talking offense, I would say Z is the better natural scorer than Crosby. Don't get me wrong, Crosby is probably the better set-up man then Z or even Dats (who is the Wings best set-up man) for that matter, but natural scoring has the scale tipped in Z's direction.

Yeah, Crosby doesn't score as many goals as Hank, mostly because he doesn't shoot as often. To me Lecavalier and Malkin are the guys I'd put up there with Zetterberg as far as being not only great passers, but also guys who could potentially lead the league in goals in any given year.

This reminds me of just how amazing Wayne Gretzky was, because he was a pass first guy, yet he's still the al time goal scoring leader, and a guy who scored 92 goals in a season. Yet for some reason, I still think of him as a guy who passed first and shot second.

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

thanks for the backing me up never forget mac, i left out something though...crosby is still developing as a player. dats and z have had plenty of time to develop. I was taking that into account when i said that about crosby. I think crosby is more like dats in the offensive aspect. dats is more of a playmaker too than zetterberg, yet somehow manages to be a high goal scorer.

[VM1138 1,921]

If Zetterberg or Datsyuk played in a 'system' like the Pens, they'd be putting up Crosby like numbers. He's clearly one of the best, but to say he is THE best, beyond argument, year in year out like Gretzky was is just dumb. Put him on a defensive-offensive team like Detroit and he puts up the same numbers as Dats and Zetterberg.

I'm not saying any one of them is better than the other, but the point is they are all at equal skill levels, so this Crosby worship is a little foolish.

[Mule Train 0]

ON OFFENSE...i have to give it to him he probably is one of the greatest offensive players i've ever seen BUT....to say he's better than dats or z is just a lack of knowing what it takes to be the best player....is crosby nominated for the selke like dats and z? NO...theres a reason...and its because dats and z can play AMAZING both ways. Maybe crosby is better than them offensively (and even that is calling it close) but not as an all around player, which everyone knows that to be the best, you have to play amazingly on both ends, like dats and z. hank or dats are both better than crosbitch as all around players

EPIC FAIL.

Stevie at his best on offense was a force very few could stop. I've seen Dats go in 1 on 4 more times than I can count and come up with the puck and a good scoring chance. Crysby is a pretty good passer who cherry picks his goals and scores on the PP. Zetterberg, Ovechkin and a whole host of players past and present are better pure offensive talents than Cindy the Jake.

Put Dats on this years Pens as the one trick show that Crysby is billed as and he is a 50 to 60 goal scorer every year. Crosby is a puke with a good PR firm.

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

If Zetterberg or Datsyuk played in a 'system' like the Pens, they'd be putting up Crosby like numbers. He's clearly one of the best, but to say he is THE best, beyond argument, year in year out like Gretzky was is just dumb. Put him on a defensive-offensive team like Detroit and he puts up the same numbers as Dats and Zetterberg.

I'm not saying any one of them is better than the other, but the point is they are all at equal skill levels, so this Crosby worship is a little foolish.

Thats why i said he is ONE of the best

[wingsownnhl43 14]

I would have to say that all of you are extremely biased. Basically what you guys are saying is that Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the better than Crosby, which would also mean that if you were ranking the best players in the game Detroit would have numbers 1,2, and 3, if you include Lidstrom, which is not the case.

Crosby IS the best player in the world. He is being smother right now by an amazing TEAM. Great teams beat great players, and that is on display in this series. One of you guys said if Datsyuk and Zetterberg were on the pens they would put up big numbers which might be true. But dont forget to put the dress on both ways. If Crosby played for Detroit he would probably be seen as a better all around player because thats how we play.

Dont get ahead of yourselves guys, Crosby, although a whinny annoying biatch, is the best player in the game.

[RWK23 0]

I would have to say that all of you are extremely biased. Basically what you guys are saying is that Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the better than Crosby, which would also mean that if you were ranking the best players in the game Detroit would have numbers 1,2, and 3, if you include Lidstrom, which is not the case.

Crosby IS the best player in the world. He is being smother right now by an amazing TEAM. Great teams beat great players, and that is on display in this series. One of you guys said if Datsyuk and Zetterberg were on the pens they would put up big numbers which might be true. But dont forget to put the dress on both ways. If Crosby played for Detroit he would probably be seen as a better all around player because thats how we play.

Dont get ahead of yourselves guys, Crosby, although a whinny annoying biatch, is the best player in the game.

I agree with a lot of your points, but Sidney Crosby is not the best player in the world. He's a very good player and his age makes him all the more attractive, but he's probably #3 as far as the best player in the world is concerned. I'd take Ovechkin and Lidstrom ahead of him.

[NHLrules? 32]

Im dieing to know what makes Crosby better than Dats?

Who passes better?

Who skates with the puck better?

Better moves?

Physical in the corners?

So Crosby may be a little faster, so what?

Id take Dats over Crosby any day.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

no its true he failed

Great thought.....care to explain rather than just criticize.

[puertoricanWingsfan 5]

ok. Let me give my two cents on this one:

No rational person can deny that Crosby is an awesome player. He is extremely talented, has great vision, excellent puck handling and natural ability. He is in the upper echelon of the hockey world without a doubt.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I have watched and listened with absolute disgust as the media has made him out to be the greatest thing since Gretzky. Scott Burnside even had the audacity to compare the penguins to the 1980's Oiler's squad. I couldn't believe the gall.

The 80's Oilers were one of the greatest teams in hockey history, and the very definition of a dynasty. How you can even mention the Penguins in the same sentence before they win a Cup is completely beyond me. The same is true for the comparison of Cindy Crosby and Gretzky. Let's wait til the kid builds a dynasty, revolutionizes the sport and brings the continent together in a collective gasp of awe before we put him and Gretzky in the same sentence.

That being said, Crosby isn't even the greatest player in the world either. He's not the best scorer (I'd give that to Ovechkin), he's not the best passer (that one is up in the air) and he's not the best skater (probably Gaborik). And let's not ignore the fact that he's nowhere near the top in terms of defense. He's not a hitter, and cries whenever he gets hit. (And as long as we're talking about getting hit, Gretzky rarely ever got hit because he knew how to skate around hits; much better than Crosby). Crosby is not a complete player, and thus is not the greatest. Great? absolutely. Greatest? Not even close.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I agree with a lot of your points, but Sidney Crosby is not the best player in the world. He's a very good player and his age makes him all the more attractive, but he's probably #3 as far as the best player in the world is concerned. I'd take Ovechkin and Lidstrom ahead of him.

Agreed, in regards to Crosby being the best player in the world. He's obviously more attractive than Lidstrom to teams because of the age difference but if we're talking straight-up best player in the world right now, Lidstrom is the best player.

$20 says Crosby would even admit that.

[NHLrules? 32]

Put him in the West and lets see how he does.

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

Put him in the West and lets see how he does.

[Mule Train 0]

I would have to say that all of you are extremely biased. Basically what you guys are saying is that Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the better than Crosby, which would also mean that if you were ranking the best players in the game Detroit would have numbers 1,2, and 3, if you include Lidstrom, which is not the case.

On Monday night - the three best players in the world are going to hoist the Stanley cup.

Crosby IS the best player in the world. He is being smother right now by an amazing TEAM. Great teams beat great players, and that is on display in this series. One of you guys said if Datsyuk and Zetterberg were on the pens they would put up big numbers which might be true. But dont forget to put the dress on both ways. If Crosby played for Detroit he would probably be seen as a better all around player because thats how we play.

I disagree. Crosby could play 20 years and never be a good defensive player, much less a finalist for the Selke. It just isn't in his makeup. Z and Dats scored nearly 100 points EACH this year while playing stellar defense. A defensive oriented Crosby is a 30 point player at best. Remember that Z and Dats put up those number primarily against the West where Crosby has been pretty much unable to do much at all five on five against us. As far as putting on a dress....Cindy might just BE a finalist for that.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

On Monday night - the three best players in the world are going to hoist the Stanley cup.

I disagree. Crosby could play 20 years and never be a good defensive player, much less a finalist for the Selke. It just isn't in his makeup. Z and Dats scored nearly 100 points EACH this year while playing stellar defense. A defensive oriented Crosby is a 30 point player at best. Remember that Z and Dats put up those number primarily against the West where Crosby has been pretty much unable to do much at all five on five against us. As far as putting on a dress....Cindy might just BE a finalist for that.

I'm sorry, but I have to call you out here for wearing the rose-colored glasses. To sit here and honestly believe that Z, Dats and Lids are the three best players in the NHL is both ridiculous and the very definition of homerism. I will give you that Lidstrom is the best player in the world, but to argue that Z and Dats are the other two of the top three is beyond debatable.

Don't get me wrong, Z and Dats have a solid argument for being in the top 10 but there are so many other great players out there that deserve to be in the category. Even if we're not talking Crosby, what about a guy by the name of Ovechkin?

[crabcakes'n'redwings 4]

crosby is one hell of a player...ive gatta give him that...he isnt really showing it in this series (thank god). i think Dat and Hank are like crosby split in half but with better D...

Dats has Crosby's set-up ability

Hank has crosby's pure scoring ability

but both have the defense ability that crosby doesnt have

[RedLightGoesOn 81]

Zetterberg is better in every aspect of the game... even playoff beards.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

crosby is one hell of a player...ive gatta give him that...he isnt really showing it in this series (thank god). i think Dat and Hank are like crosby split in half but with better D...

Dats has Crosby's set-up ability

Hank has crosby's pure scoring ability

but both have the defense ability that crosby doesnt have

Dats may have (or be close to) Crosby's set-up ability, but Crosby absolutely doesn't have Z's scoring ability yet.

[crabcakes'n'redwings 4]

Dats may have (or be close to) Crosby's set-up ability, but Crosby absolutely doesn't have Z's scoring ability yet.

yeah probably, but even if i wasnt a wings fan...i'd rather take the 2 way player