Curtis Joseph signs w/Maple Leafs

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

The guy who could have won the cup for us if anyone bothered to score a goal in front of him.

$700K for one year, FYI.

Yeah, because the Ducks just lit Detroit up, right? It was a battle of goaltending. As with the rest of Joseph's career, he lost that battle.

[CUJO#31 0]

Yeah, because the Ducks just lit Detroit up, right? It was a battle of goaltending. As with the rest of Joseph's career, he lost that battle.

TWO 1-2 losses??? Two other 2-3 losses??

I'd say it was the LACK of scoring on our part. You are correct about the Ducks NOT lighting Detroit up part though.

How about the last two games of the next year???

Sat, May 1 Calgary L 0-1 6-4-0-1 C. Joseph C. Joseph, SV%: 0.95 31-21 0-5 3-3

Mon, May 3 @ Calgary L 0-1 OT 6-4-0-2 C. Joseph C. Joseph, SV%: 0.98 38-44 0-3 4-4

Wooo, look at all that offense...

It was only a "Battle of goaltending" because we were underachieving and couldn't score goals despite the fact we had boatloads of talented offensive players. We aren't talking about a few 1 point losses, ALL of the ducks games were one point losses. Our first two losses to Calgary in 04... 1-2 and 2-3. So in the 4 losses to the Flames that year...we scored 5 goals. That is amazing for the talent we had eh?!?! Good thing that offense didn't show up this year.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

TWO 1-2 losses??? Two other 2-3 losses??

I'd say it was the LACK of scoring on our part. You are correct about the Ducks NOT lighting Detroit up part though.

How about the last two games of the next year???

Sat, May 1 Calgary L 0-1 6-4-0-1 C. Joseph C. Joseph, SV%: 0.95 31-21 0-5 3-3

Mon, May 3 @ Calgary L 0-1 OT 6-4-0-2 C. Joseph C. Joseph, SV%: 0.98 38-44 0-3 4-4

Wooo, look at all that offense...

It was only a "Battle of goaltending" because we were underachieving and couldn't score goals despite the fact we had boatloads of talented offensive players. We aren't talking about a few 1 point losses, ALL of the ducks games were one point losses. Our first two losses to Calgary in 04... 1-2 and 2-3. So in the 4 losses to the Flames that year...we scored 5 goals. That is amazing for the talent we had eh?!?! Good thing that offense didn't show up this year.

Ok, so you just cited two examples where an elite goaltender (Kipprusoff) posted shutouts and SHUT THE DOOR, while an inferior goaltender (Cujo) did not. The same thing happened in the Ducks series. In 2002, would you consider Hasek's playoff shutouts a credit to him, or a "lack of scoring" for the opposition?

Edited July 1, 2008 by KronwallCRUNCH

[CUJO#31 0]

Ok, so you just cited two examples where an elite goaltender (Kipprusof) posted shutouts and SHUT THE DOOR, while an inferior goaltender (Cujo) did not. The same thing happened in the Ducks series. In 2002, would you consider Hasek's playoff shutouts a credit to him, or a "lack of scoring" for the opposition?

Dude all I'm trying to say is Cujo kept those games CLOSE (allowing only one or two goals in MOST of them) With the talent we had then there is no excuse for us being shut out or losing that MANY close games that MANY times.

Ozzy allowed 9 goals in the 4 game Co. series alone. Guess what...the Wings scored over 20! Nashville series...17 goals! Dallas series...17 goals! Finals...17 goals! This post season our offense showed up and made some noise, wow it paid off! How crazy ironic?!?! For someone to say the goalie is the sole reason we couldn't close the deal...just shows you aren't paying close attention to what we do when we actually win those series. How many cups does the "ELITE" Kipper have again?!?!

[eva unit zero 271]

Dude all I'm trying to say is Cujo kept those games CLOSE (allowing only one or two goals in MOST of them) With the talent we had then there is no excuse for us being shut out or losing that MANY close games that MANY times.

Ozzy allowed 9 goals in the 4 game Co. series alone. Guess what...the Wings scored over 20! Nashville series...17 goals! Dallas series...17 goals! Finals...17 goals! This post season our offense showed up and made some noise, wow it paid off! How crazy ironic?!?! For someone to say the goalie is the sole reason we couldn't close the deal...just shows you aren't paying close attention to what we do when we actually win those series. How many cups does the "ELITE" Kipper have again?!?!

Just for the record...

Curtis Joseph started 12 games for the Wings in the playoffs. His record was 4-8. To expand further, his record in games where the Wings did not outshoot their opposition was an impressive 0-1, and his record in games where he faced fewer shots was 4-7. Joseph saw no games where both teams had equal shots.

Let's compare that with Chris Osgood's Cup run from this season.

Record in games where Wings outshot opposition: 13-4

Record in games where Wings did not outshoot opposition: 1-0

Both goaltenders saw one game in which the Wings did not outshoot their opponent. Joseph lost it, Ozzie won it. Ozzie won nine more games than Joseph, and lost five fewer.

Osgood also had several games in the postseason this year where he could be considered to have stolen the game in the playoffs. Joseph never accomplished that feat in a Wings sweater.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Just for the record...

Curtis Joseph started 12 games for the Wings in the playoffs. His record was 4-8. To expand further, his record in games where the Wings did not outshoot their opposition was an impressive 0-1, and his record in games where he faced fewer shots was 4-7. Joseph saw no games where both teams had equal shots.

Let's compare that with Chris Osgood's Cup run from this season.

Record in games where Wings outshot opposition: 13-4

Record in games where Wings did not outshoot opposition: 1-0

Both goaltenders saw one game in which the Wings did not outshoot their opponent. Joseph lost it, Ozzie won it. Ozzie won nine more games than Joseph, and lost five fewer.

Osgood also had several games in the postseason this year where he could be considered to have stolen the game in the playoffs. Joseph never accomplished that feat in a Wings sweater.

Very good post. All of the stats that I was too lazy to look up.

Cujo#31:

How many cups does the "ELITE" Kipper have again?!?!

None, but he outperformed Cujo, just like Giguere did. What does that tell you?

[The Noodle 39 14]

Good for Cujo.

And, oddly enough, this makes my McFarlane Cujo Leafs figure current again.

Hehe same here

[CUJO#31 0]

Just for the record...

Curtis Joseph started 12 games for the Wings in the playoffs. His record was 4-8. To expand further, his record in games where the Wings did not outshoot their opposition was an impressive 0-1, and his record in games where he faced fewer shots was 4-7. Joseph saw no games where both teams had equal shots.

Let's compare that with Chris Osgood's Cup run from this season.

Record in games where Wings outshot opposition: 13-4

Record in games where Wings did not outshoot opposition: 1-0

Both goaltenders saw one game in which the Wings did not outshoot their opponent. Joseph lost it, Ozzie won it. Ozzie won nine more games than Joseph, and lost five fewer.

Osgood also had several games in the postseason this year where he could be considered to have stolen the game in the playoffs. Joseph never accomplished that feat in a Wings sweater.

Games where the Wings did NOT outshoot their opposition... 0-1, Ozzy was 1-0.

It's funny how you compare the games as CUJO lost games where the wings offense couldn't score in ONE goal tight games. All your stats show is the wings, even in the cujo era, could outshoot their opponent. The DIFFERENCE is...they scored the goals this year, A LOT MORE OF THEM. That's what I'm trying to say. You basically say Ozzy can win games when the Wings score so many goals and that makes hiim a better goalie??? WOW, good call. I understand Ozzie stole a couple of them, but there is no excuse for the Wings not winning the rest of those games, which still would have made the difference. Try to realize our offense was to blame then in almost all of those games, especially given the talent we put on the ice. I think Ozzie is a better goalie but you guys need to wake up and realize Cujo did NOT lose those series, the Wings underperformed. (Team sport and all)

[CUJO#31 0]

Very good post. All of the stats that I was too lazy to look up.

Cujo#31:

None, but he outperformed Cujo, just like Giguere did. What does that tell you?

Tells me the team we had on the ice that season, WITH A LOT MORE TALENT THAN THE FLAMES, needs to share in that blame for not scoring. We were paying a lot of stars a LOT of money to score goals and couldn't do it. Game, after game, after game. But blame it on Cujo...cause that's easier than admitting (add your favorite player from that year here) should share in the blame for not producing offense that the team this year managed to do under a salary cap no less.

[alpo 0]

I'm hearing ya Cujo#31.... although I hated seeing him as a Redwing, Joseph was not the reason the wings failed those years. I am happy he is back in T.O. where he can get the accolades without having to have a record that deserves praise. as a Leaf he can just lose & be happy.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Tells me the team we had on the ice that season, WITH A LOT MORE TALENT THAN THE FLAMES, needs to share in that blame for not scoring. We were paying a lot of stars a LOT of money to score goals and couldn't do it. Game, after game, after game. But blame it on Cujo...cause that's easier than admitting (add your favorite player from that year here) should share in the blame for not producing offense that the team this year managed to do under a salary cap no less.

Agreed.

A .939 Sv % in the postseason should be plenty enough to get by Calgary when your offense consists of Datsyuk, Hull, Yzerman, Shanahan, Lang, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom.

The "outplayed by the other goalie" is such a ridiculous argument, because it's basically saying it's Joseph's fault that the Wings couldn't score on the opposing goaltender. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when you consider that the Red Wings didn't score a goal for over 120 minutes at the end of that series. They couldn't register a goal in game 5 or 6, losing both 1-0, and that's Joseph's fault??

The guys shooting the puck got outplayed by Kiprusoff. Not Cujo.

[EUROCOP 0]

It's the goalie's job to let fewer goals than the guy at the other end. Period. Get the W! One may excuse one early playoff exit but not two. That removes any serious doubt.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's the goalie's job to let fewer goals than the guy at the other end. Period. Get the W! One may excuse one early playoff exit but not two. That removes any serious doubt.

Actually it's the goalie's job to stop the puck.

Did you even watch the series? He bailed the Wings out against Nashville when Manny faltered and played very well in the series against Calgary. Blaming him for the loss is a gross oversimplification of what happened, and letting a handful of star players completely off the hook for their inability to score.

but if it makes your world simpler to just blame the goalie for that, to each their own I guess. As long as there's LGW, there will be irrational goalie bashers.

[CUJO#31 0]

Agreed.

A .939 Sv % in the postseason should be plenty enough to get by Calgary when your offense consists of Datsyuk, Hull, Yzerman, Shanahan, Lang, Zetterberg, and Holmstrom.

The "outplayed by the other goalie" is such a ridiculous argument, because it's basically saying it's Joseph's fault that the Wings couldn't score on the opposing goaltender. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when you consider that the Red Wings didn't score a goal for over 120 minutes at the end of that series. They couldn't register a goal in game 5 or 6, losing both 1-0, and that's Joseph's fault??

The guys shooting the puck got outplayed by Kiprusoff. Not Cujo.

That is ALL I have been trying to say. It seems, however, to be a really tough pill for some people to swallow.

A lot of people just want to jump on the bandwagon and place blame on an easy target where they don't have to think, or admit how bad our offense was during those years in the post season. I don't think Cujo belongs here now but it's tough for me think (him being one of my favorite players) that our ALL STAR squad couldn't step up and get it in the net a few more times like they did this year.

We got the Cup, we have Ozzie back (who I also said many many years ago we should have never traded, cough cough) so life is good!

[CUJO#31 0]

Actually it's the goalie's job to stop the puck.

Did you even watch the series? He bailed the Wings out against Nashville when Manny faltered and played very well in the series against Calgary. Blaming him for the loss is a gross oversimplification of what happened, and letting a handful of star players completely off the hook for their inability to score.

but if it makes your world simpler to just blame the goalie for that, to each their own I guess. As long as there's LGW, there will be irrational goalie bashers.

Yep

[EUROCOP 0]

Actually it's the goalie's job to stop the puck.

Did you even watch the series? He bailed the Wings out against Nashville when Manny faltered and played very well in the series against Calgary. Blaming him for the loss is a gross oversimplification of what happened, and letting a handful of star players completely off the hook for their inability to score.

but if it makes your world simpler to just blame the goalie for that, to each their own I guess. As long as there's LGW, there will be irrational goalie bashers.

Yeah and thick-skulled cement heads like you. Cujo is a non-winner.

[Opie 308]

I think the cujo signing was to take heat away from the Finger signing!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Yeah and thick-skulled cement heads like you. Cujo is a non-winner.

Hey, thanks for the personal attack.

I'm not saying I want Cujo here. I'm saying the Calgary series wasn't his fault. The only people who seem to think so are those who have some beef with him, those who have an extremely oversimplified view of the game, or both.

[CUJO#31 0]

Hey, thanks for the personal attack.

I'm not saying I want Cujo here. I'm saying the Calgary series wasn't his fault. The only people who seem to think so are those who have some beef with him, those who have an extremely oversimplified view of the game, or both.

When logic shows up it's time to call out the YO MAMMA jokes eh??