Canucks may take another RFA shot

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

screw downey screw mccarty both are 13th forwards that we should realistically use only 30-40 games a season at 5-7 minutes per game, anything more than that is outrageous qtiyd

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

God forbid we put a guy who actually could produce 60 points on the 2nd line.

You actualy believe that?

EDIT

Actually i kinda do, But it seems like he forgets he's a sniper and try's to dish out the pass when he has a great shot.. He frustrates me with 2nd line duty, but makes me happy with 4th line duty, spot 2nd line,pp specialist..

Edited July 5, 2008 by Dump-N-Thump

[stillwater 186]

We need Mac and Downey playing next year. Or expect an early exit from the playoffs. Has history taught you nothing?

Umm, yeah. What recent history taught everyone is that without Downey making any contribution to the 2008 playoff run, and McCarty contributing very little, the Detroit Red Wings won the Stanley Cup.

The idea that you can take Flip out of the mix and add McCarty and Downey, the Wings will be a better team is moronic. Do you want to watch hockey fight videos or win the Stanley Cup? Georges Laraque was a scratch for the majority of the Finals.

Look, I loved Bob Probert on the Wings as much as anyone, maybe the greatest enforcer ever, but he ain't coming through that door anytime soon, ok? I also recall the season ending every year Probert was here without my favorite team hoisting the Stanley Cup.

Unless you can find a fighter who can actually add something other than the ability to fight, he's redundant on this team. If Downey wants to accept a small, possibly two-way deal, he's probably not coming back.

What's Lidstrom supposed to say about Downey? That he hated playing with him?

Edited July 5, 2008 by stillwater

[Swede40 0]

Agreed, plus if we do lose Val, Holland may bring back another Defensivly responsible forward that begins with an F.

Possibility of a top notch prospect + Federov's possible return>>>>> Filpulla

Fedorov will end up staying with Washington.

[Swede40 0]

Why is everyone so against having Mac or Downey in the lineup? Are you blind? did you not see how they affected the rest of the team when they played? Lidstrom for one, has said that he loved having Downey in the lineup because it gave the star players more room to move. He knew that he was protected from the goons in the league. Do you even remember the years without an enforcer? Jason Williams getting run? Had to be carried off the ice. Holmstrom gets double elbowed by Pronger and Niedermayer from behind? Cut wide open. Hasek gettin raped in the crease by every team we played. No one did a damn thing about it.

Now insert Downey,Drake and McCarty into the lineup. Lidstrrom got ran by Laperriere, Downey beat his ass. No one else has ran a Wing all year. Before that or after. Anaheim tries to bully us this year like they did in the playoffs. Downey beats Parros' ass. Datsyuk got trained by Dallas Drake on how to throw a bodycheck, and he leads the team in hits during the playoffs. McCormick tries to make a name for himself in the playoffs by pickin on what he thought was an aging McCarty, and Darren went toe to toe with him. Your telling me they have no impact?? When was the last time Detroit won a Cup? Do you remember? 2002. Who was in the lineup that year?? Darren McCarty. Jiri Fischer, Sean Avery and to a lesser extent Brendan Shanahan. Tough players who can protect our stars.

We need Mac and Downey playing next year. Or expect an early exit from the playoffs. Has history taught you nothing?

tell me how this lineup would not succeed:

Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom

Cleary - Franzen - Hossa

Maltby - Draper - McCarty

Abdelkader - Helm - Downey

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Quincey - Lilja

Osgood

Conklin

that team would have speed, skill and toughness. We could trade Hudler, Lebda and Samuelsson for picks. Let Filppula go and collect more picks. The 08/09 draft could see Detroit with 2 or more picks in every single round. And trading those players away would free up money. Something Detroit likes to have near the deadline "just in case".

You forgot Kopecky. Abdelkader will be in Grand Rapids.

[dicksmack 33]

samuelsson scored 3 goals in the stanley cup finals, which was most on red wings. He is not as bad as you make him to be.

Exactly. Sammy showed up at the critical time. 'Nuff said.

[stillwater 186]

If Downey + McCarty > Flip, why doesn't Vancouver just sign them?

[Superman54 91]

TBH I would rather see Hudler play with Helm. Those two are amazing together, and could very well be the best 4th line in the NHL.

[Guest mindfly]

The difference between hudler and filppula is the amount of mistakes they make... i like hudler but he's making too many mistakes and often take foolish penalties

Edited July 5, 2008 by mindfly

[norrisnick 1]

The difference between hudler and filppula is the amount of mistakes they make... i like hudler but he's making too many mistakes and often take foolish penalties

Fil makes more mistakes than Hudler. Val has all the physical tools you could hope for, but his decision making with the puck and touch is lagging well behind Hudler. Hudler lost control of his stick in the 3rd OT. s*** happens. That call towards the end of game 6 was beyond s***ty. The Pens got a freeby or three late in every single game they were trailing.

Fil is very raw. Hudler has more polish.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

The difference between hudler and filppula is the amount of mistakes they make... i like hudler but he's making too many mistakes and often take foolish penalties

No its not. The difference between the two is offense and defense. Filppula is lacking in offense and Hudler is lacking in defense. Two stupid penalty calls in the playoffs doesnt mean he takes a lot of penalties. Filppula took more than him in the regular season, and the penalty called on Hudler in game 6 was a pathetic call that 10 times out of 10 is never called unless Pittsburgh needs a boost to get to a potential cup-winning game. And high-sticks happen.

[Dabura 12,232]

Ideally, Flip stays on the second line, Cleary plays on the third with Draper and Sammy, and Hudler plays on the fourth line with Helm and Maltby/some scrub. Hudler would be a solid second-liner on a lot of other teams, but given the composition of the Wings' roster, he's best used as a fourth-liner here. Should Flip leave, Hudler would have a better shot at getting second-line minutes, but Cleary or Sammy would probably be given the nod ahead of him.

One nice thing about having Hossa and Mule on the second line (assuming that's how it will be) is that they're both big, fast, and extremely strong. As such, they would have absolutely no trouble creating room for a smaller guy like Hudler. Additionally, they're both very good defensively and could compensate for Hudler's tendency to make poor defensive decisions.

[detroit4life 0]

Umm, yeah. What recent history taught everyone is that without Downey making any contribution to the 2008 playoff run, and McCarty contributing very little, the Detroit Red Wings won the Stanley Cup.

The idea that you can take Flip out of the mix and add McCarty and Downey, the Wings will be a better team is moronic. Do you want to watch hockey fight videos or win the Stanley Cup? Georges Laraque was a scratch for the majority of the Finals.

Look, I loved Bob Probert on the Wings as much as anyone, maybe the greatest enforcer ever, but he ain't coming through that door anytime soon, ok? I also recall the season ending every year Probert was here without my favorite team hoisting the Stanley Cup.

Unless you can find a fighter who can actually add something other than the ability to fight, he's redundant on this team. If Downey wants to accept a small, possibly two-way deal, he's probably not coming back.

What's Lidstrom supposed to say about Downey? That he hated playing with him?

It's not just "take Flip out and insert Mac and Downey now the team is better." Detroit signed a pretty good free agent this summer......what was his name?........ oh man........ I heard a lot of teams were after him............ House.......... Hoose..... Oh Hossa. Marian freakin Hossa! Adding HIM makes our team better. Having Cleary (20+ gaol scorer), Franzen (30 goal scorer next year) and Hossa (40+ goal scorer next year) is a pretty damn good 2nd line.

Downey only had 10 fights in his 56 games this year. Thats hardly considered "watching hockey fight videos" Mac and Downey are smart fighters, they don't skate around the rink looking for a fight. They react to teammates getting abused. And McCarty played in 17 games during the playoffs, including a 4 - 0 win in game one of the finals. So to say he conrtibuted little is off. Just wait and see man. If neither Mac or Downey play, you will see teams realize they can have their way with us again. The history I was talking about is that Detroit won all their Cups with at least one enforcer in the lineup. When we didn't have one, we didn't even come close to the Cup. And with Drake retiring, who is going to protect our stars? Lilja? :rotflmao:

You forgot Kopecky. Abdelkader will be in Grand Rapids.

Yeah I was basing it on the fact that Kopecky tore both his ACL and MCL so I didn't think he would be 100% to start the season. And I realize Abdelkader will be in GR, but that is the lineup that I feel will have the most success.

Exactly. Sammy showed up at the critical time. 'Nuff said.

Lol. That is one funny post. The guy score 11 goals on 249 shots in the regular season, and 5 off of 79 shots in the playoffs. If you think he deserves kudos cause he scored 3 of those in the finals, then you must be Ken Holland in disguise. Cause I would have traded his ass at the deadline in a heartbeat. I'm sorry, but 4.4% and 6.3% shooting percentages just don't cut it for a guy that plays 2nd line minutes and plays 2nd line PP time.

[Dabura 12,232]

So, you think the world of Downey and McCarty but think Sammy is trash? mmk

[YoungGuns1340 1]

It's not just "take Flip out and insert Mac and Downey now the team is better." Detroit signed a pretty good free agent this summer......what was his name?........ oh man........ I heard a lot of teams were after him............ House.......... Hoose..... Oh Hossa. Marian freakin Hossa! Adding HIM makes our team better. Having Cleary (20+ gaol scorer), Franzen (30 goal scorer next year) and Hossa (40+ goal scorer next year) is a pretty damn good 2nd line.

Downey only had 10 fights in his 56 games this year. Thats hardly considered "watching hockey fight videos" Mac and Downey are smart fighters, they don't skate around the rink looking for a fight. They react to teammates getting abused. And McCarty played in 17 games during the playoffs, including a 4 - 0 win in game one of the finals. So to say he conrtibuted little is off. Just wait and see man. If neither Mac or Downey play, you will see teams realize they can have their way with us again. The history I was talking about is that Detroit won all their Cups with at least one enforcer in the lineup. When we didn't have one, we didn't even come close to the Cup. And with Drake retiring, who is going to protect our stars? Lilja? :rotflmao:

Yeah I was basing it on the fact that Kopecky tore both his ACL and MCL so I didn't think he would be 100% to start the season. And I realize Abdelkader will be in GR, but that is the lineup that I feel will have the most success.

Lol. That is one funny post. The guy score 11 goals on 249 shots in the regular season, and 5 off of 79 shots in the playoffs. If you think he deserves kudos cause he scored 3 of those in the finals, then you must be Ken Holland in disguise. Cause I would have traded his ass at the deadline in a heartbeat. I'm sorry, but 4.4% and 6.3% shooting percentages just don't cut it for a guy that plays 2nd line minutes and plays 2nd line PP time.

So you're calling him the best GM in the league? Thats awfully nice of you. Theres a reason why you're a poster and Hollands a GM. Because hes smart and judging from your idiotic suggestions...you're...not so much.

Edited July 5, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[detroit4life 0]

So, you think the world of Downey and McCarty but think Sammy is trash? mmk

Lol of course Sammy is trash. He was put on this team to do one thing, score goals. He sucked ass at doing that.

Downey and McCarty know their roles. They are out there to be physical, protect the stars, keep the other team's tough guys in check and occasionally chip in offensively. Downey did that to perfection, and, our stars had more room to move and do what they do best. Next season, if McCarty gets signed, he will do the same.

Lets not forget, in his career, McCarty has scored 12, 13, 14, 15, 15 and 19 goals. While never playing more than 73 games in any season. Samuelsson, in the "prime" of his career, playing 15+ minutes a game, plus PP time, plus playing on the best team in the league, could only manage 11 goals in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. 3 of which were in the Finals, so technically, he only scored 2 goals in his first 16 playoff games this year. what a sniper he is.

[stillwater 186]

It's not just "take Flip out and insert Mac and Downey now the team is better."

But that's precisely what your argument is, as you've presented it in numerous posts, even to the point of posting your "dream" roster, that did not include Filppula, but did include McCarty and Downey.

Your lineup of forwards, (just scroll up the page):

Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom

Cleary - Franzen - Hossa

Maltby - Draper - McCarty

Abdelkader - Helm - Downey

No Filppula, but a Downey and a McCarty.

[stillwater 186]

Downey and McCarty know their roles. They are out there to be physical, protect the stars, keep the other team's tough guys in check and occasionally chip in offensively. Downey did that to perfection, and, our stars had more room to move and do what they do best.

Downey must have scared teams to death from his playoff press box seat.

Perhaps you're on to something here. A guy doesn't even have to play, yet gives "our stars more room to move and do what they do best".

Genius, pure genius.

Check please.

Edited July 5, 2008 by stillwater

[HenryMalredo 2]

Lets not forget, in his career, McCarty has scored 12, 13, 14, 15, 15 and 19 goals. While never playing more than 73 games in any season. Samuelsson, in the "prime" of his career, playing 15+ minutes a game, plus PP time, plus playing on the best team in the league, could only manage 11 goals in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. 3 of which were in the Finals, so technically, he only scored 2 goals in his first 16 playoff games this year. what a sniper he is.

You're presenting McCarty's numbers in his prime. McCarty is not in his prime anymore. He hasn't hit double digits in goals in several years. Currently, Samuelsson is by far a better player.

[Superman54 91]

to suggest Downey and McCarty over Filppula is a complete joke, that is entirely not funny. Samuelsson is also not as much of a defensive liability compared to McCarty. I see McCarty being a healthy scratch, 13 forward, at best! To put him on the 3rd line is beyond ludacrisy!

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

Well u can lock up this thread!