GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 17, 2008 I'd like to know who these "anti-enforcers" are on here. I certainly don't see any. I see members who highly value them, and I certainly respect that, and I see members that understand their importance but never once have said, "I am against enforcers" or "I hate enforcers" or some variety of that. I do not see any anti-enforcers or anti-fighters on here, only extreme pro-enforcer members that take the words of people who are fairly neutral on the subject out of context. If you're going to play it that way, then I don't see any extreme pro-enforcer members either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Grit is being willing to play in high traffic areas. Grit is making the play off the boards even when you know your gonna get hammered. Grit is as much mental as it is physical. Amen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 All of you anti-enforcer people need to go root for some European team in some European league, and stop promoting softness on the Wings. Meanwhile, I can go root for the Ducks and Flyers like you suggest, and all will be quiet once more. If "softness" equates to four championships in 11 years, I'll gladly "suffer" through that. I'm not anti-enforcer for the record; I'm just tired of seeing the same rhetoric of "the Red Wings need to get tougher" when they are the best hockey team in the world. Enforcers serve a useful purpose, and I appreciate the role Downey and Mac played last season, but to suggest those two players were the difference or a major impact is just laughable. The Red Wings are the class of the NHL. If carrying an enforcer (or multiple) guaranteed success, then why does the best team in hockey almost every season traditionally fight the least? I have no problem with people that appreciate fighting, but every thread doesn't have to turn into how the Red Wings are "pansies" and how the rest of us that disagree with the pro-enforcer crowd support "soft hockey." I like winning, regardless of who is on the ice, and the Red Wings are doing damn fine in that department. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Some threads on LGW.com are a testament to the wealth of hockey intelligence on this board. This isn't one of those... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 There are people who love hockey, and see fighting as an important part of the game. Moreover, fighting is an integral part in their enjoyment of the game. They love good dekes, fancy passing, sweet defense, great hits, awesome goaltending, pretty goals, and of course winning, but the package is not complete with some ass-kicking along the way. Since fighting is integral to their enjoyment if the game, it is natural that they want fighters on their team. There are people who love hockey and enjoy fighting, but don't feel it is integral to their enjoyment of the game. They love good dekes, fancy passing, sweet defense, great hits, awesome goaltending, pretty goals, and of course winning too, but they don't really care whether there is some ass-kicking along the way. They aren't against having fighters on the team, as long as the fighters aren't detrimental to the other things they love. I think that about sums it up ... can't we all just get along? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 18, 2008 I'll disregard your advice and stick with my point, thanks. If someone's going to insult my intellect, I'd like for that someone to at least have a handle on the basic tenets of English grammar. If that makes me a "cee oh cee kay," then lube me up, baby! ASDFkhwvqwsomethingGANGSTA, Kudos for going to college and being wealthy. Very few young, loaded Americans go to college, so believe me when I say I have the utmost respect for you. As for your ramblings about Roberts -- honestly, I don't care all that much. You thought it necessary to point out a few posts back that I wasn't giving Roberts "due props" or whatever, as Datsyuk totally would have lost had Roberts been operating at, like, TOTAL MAXIMUM POWER (GRRR). I thought it necessary to basically piss on this point's figurative face because all it was really doing was inviting fight fan circle-jerking (e.g. "Remember that time Roberts was, like, shooting lightning from his eyes? Too bad Holland's too much of a ***** to get some guy with lightning eyes, nawmean?") as well as honoring exactly the kind of s*** Holland tries to steer clear of (which, in turn, is one of the big reasons this club is competitive year in and year out). Roberts is a punk-ass ***** who took a shot to the back of a headcase's head. I therefore don't give a damn that he would've beaten Datsyuk in a fair fight. All that matters is that Datsyuk got the upper hand -- and rather literally, at that. No, Datsyuk didn't instill fear in Roberts, but Roberts didn't try s*** like that again for the rest of the series, which is all you want out of an enforcer's work anyway. If all of this strikes you as being so terribly "irrelevant," then you shouldn't have made that point about Dats and Roberts in the first place. Aaron Downey -- he's good for the locker room, good for morale. He's not a very imposing enforcer, though. Nor is he good enough to log any minutes in the postseason (dude's a huge liability. I'm sorry, but it's true.) Nor is he, then, essential; this team marched through the entire postseason without him. ("But they wouldn't have done as well in the regular season without him!" zomg!!1) Of course, I don't see why this debate's being had in the first place. One or both of Mac and Downey will likely be back. It's not like Holland's said, "WE'RE GOIN' SOFT! WAHOO!" It's important to realize, though, that players like Downey occupy the lowest rung on the roster totem pole. NN has said it, and I'll say it again because it's a great point: it's no coincidence that Bowman -- the Ultimate Coach, period -- favored "soft" teams. Maybe if you read to what I was actually replying too you'd sound like less of a jackass. I can't help it that no one respects your opinion, so please stop crying about how your 1985 corlloa payments are due. I never said you weren't giving fair props to Roberts, you just said that Datsyuk "ENFORCED HIM!!!!!!" when he clearly didnt. It did nothing to change Roberts from his personal game, apart from him feeling momentairly embarassed. Congraulations, your comprehension elvel is on par with mine, and English is most probably your first langue and you are an english teacher. It's all right though, I'm sure that 50k will soften the blow... Also Roberts continued to play physical. I never once said I was agaisnt Downey, just other people overvalue him. I personally love fighting, but Enforcing too me isn't about punching, its about instilling fear and being tough to play agaisnt. Kinda like the old Barnes Brother philosphy. If we have all our players playing tough and going hard, we have no need for an enforcer. Give me a player like Kronwall over Downey for any day in the intimidation factor department. One changes the way people go up ice, the other dosent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Aww...how cute. Edit: Sorry I forgot the annoying font. Uk, I normally value your opinion on matters of Hockey, and I can see how someone always brining up stats can be annoying, but I for one find Eva one of the most entertaing posters around, frankley cause eh can basically prove anything. Not a shot at you, just letting you know that your wrong in that sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Uk, I normally value your opinion on matters of Hockey, and I can see how someone always brining up stats can be annoying, but I for one find Eva one of the most entertaing posters around, frankley cause eh can basically prove anything. Not a shot at you, just letting you know that your wrong in that sense. Yeah, I don't know about that but he's very good with the stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaKineMaui 8 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Uk, I normally value your opinion on matters of Hockey, and I can see how someone always brining up stats can be annoying, but I for one find Eva one of the most entertaing posters around, frankley cause eh can basically prove anything. Not a shot at you, just letting you know that your wrong in that sense. f*** All of you for making me agree with you. I happen to to agree with EUZ sometimes. That is sad. Well.....so far, 65.063789% of the time. And I'm sure I'll be corrected on that number........ (Kidding Eva - I gotcher back.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 thread = EPIC FAIL how the hell did this thread get turned into the usual LGW enforcer bulls***? it's the last thing this thread should be about. the important things are resigning our RFA's (especially Filppula), signing or not signing Chelios and finding a new Assistant Coach and Video Coach.. Holland has ALREADY SAID that he's offered contracts to Downey and Mac, but they're 2 way, which is only right because they can't both be on the roster at the same time. The thread should't be about this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) You know what not worth it! Edited July 18, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 18, 2008 You know what not worth it! Great grammer for a 5th grade teacher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Some threads on LGW.com are a testament to the wealth of hockey intelligence on this board. This isn't one of those... *Now* this thread can end. I'm seriously this close to calling someone "Hitler" just so this thread can finally RIP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) Great grammer for a 5th grade teacher. I stand by my last post: You know what, it is not worth it! I am not sure why I got involved in an argument where the other person's best argument so far has been, I can't help it that no one respects your opinion, so please stop crying about how your 1985 corlloa payments are due. Edited July 18, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) DUDE, Learn to read or comprehend (which ever gets the point across), I said I used to be a teacher, seeing as the phrase "used to" would infer past tense you would realize that I am no longer a teacher. And it wasn't poor grammar but poor punctuation. Again if you are going to make an intelligence insult you should make sure you spell things correctly! Otherwise you look like someone who is trying to be funny but doesn't have the intellect to pull it off! What I should have said was: "know what, not worth it." See I don't have to put you in front of it because in the English language you can infer who or what is the direct object/subject, for instance in this case it would be you, as in "You know what", just like in the second half of my sentence (otherwise known as the other clause) the inferred object is it, as in "it is not worth it" however my use of the English language is widely accepted, your misspellings are not widely accepted and are actually wrong! What you don't realize, because you are so hell bent on arguing with me, is that except for the "I have money, I am cool" or the spelling/grammar issues we are on the same side of the argument of this thread. Last offseason I was probably one of, if not, the unofficial leader of the anti-fighter movement, I even said Downey was a waste of a roster spot because he can't do anything but fight. However you read in my post that I made a comment about how you presented your argument and now you just want to pick an internet fight with me. 1) I am not the one who orginally bragged about my social status or corrected ones writing ablities. 2) The fact that you used to be a teacher still means you should have at the very least a decent understanding of the language. English is my third language, and I type fast, so for you to orginal point out my spelling and mistkaes with homophones made you look like a hypocritical jackass, as you even a HUGLEY ESTABLISHED FORMER TEACHER AKA THE FINAL WORD ON GRAMMAR, SPELLING, AND PUNCUATION even make mistakes. I was just pointing out how hypocritical your dumbass' is. One would think that that stuff would have stayed with you even after your retirement. 3) All my arguing about Enforcers in this thread were arguing direct quotes from either you or Dabura. My comprehension skills are more then adequate for me to understand the point of your posts, but if YOUR comprehension skills were so good you'd relaise i was referring to Dabura or direct quotes in all my posts. 4) Apparently it was worth it, your just TRYING to act like the bigger man. I already quoted that post but nice try Edited July 18, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 I am not trying to act like anything, I saw your post responded, re read my post and thought better of it, because I edited my post doesn't automatically mean I never wrote it, or that I thought no one would notice. I am done with you on this conversation, as I stated multiple times now, it is not worth it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Maybe if you read to what I was actually replying too you'd sound like less of a jackass. Here's your original reply: to be Fair Roberts was being held by two Refs and off balance when Datsyuk clocked him. Roberts would kick pavels ass and you know it. Your next reply: If you seriously belive Datsyuk would last ten seconds face to face with Gary ******* Roberts your delusional You completely missed my original point(s), instead preferring to go off on some meat head tangent about Gary "The Fist" Roberts and how he could totally kick Pavel's ass and how I totally know it and what Pavel was doing was, like, totally not enforcing because, like, GARY ROBERTS!!1 You're thinking in black-and-white -- e.g., Datsyuk is not a fighter, Roberts is TOUGH-AS-NAILZ. It doesn't matter. It certainly didn't matter then, because Datsyuk -- lightweight or not -- stepped in and sent a message, and Roberts didn't try another cheapshot like the one he pulled on Mule again. I keep pointing out the cheapshot because I find it amusing that you'd pull the "to be fair" card on Roberts' behalf, when, in fact, if anyone was robbed of "fairness," it was Mule. "Well hey man, it's a rough game. So there." Well hey man, Pavel was probably saying the same thing when he was socking Roberts with haymakers. But yeah, you're right -- totally not enforcing, totally not fair. It's these double-standards I'm attacking, y'see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 How's your money, by the way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Dabura, During the trade deadline we had our fair share of disagreements but thanks for not making fun of my bills and my income and my car. Because those things really hurt my feelings!!!! back on topic: I still think that Aaron Downey and his ability (it may not be a skill but it takes a lot to be willing to do what he does) to sit in the box after every couple of games, and go out there and know full well that the only reason he is there is to use his fists are the best fit for this wings team and their philosophy. I also still contend that an enforcer is not a necessary element of a team. While it does make for entertaining hockey, I still don't think it necessary. The other factor in this is that the Wings players don't get run that often due to body position, they are almost all very adept at getting out of the way. I mean how many times last year did a player(sometime 2) think they had Dats lined up, only to have him slip away, and two of the opponents go flying into each other. Now I am not saying that is a form of retaliation or people are saying don't hit Datsyuk you will miss and hit your teammate, but it is interesting how most of them never really get plastered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 Hmm...Hudler is a poor player? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 I realize everyone has their own personality here, but lets keep this thread on topic without a personal jab in every single post. TBH, adding thoughts about the thread at hand after you've poked fun doesn't make the insult irrelevant. It makes the thread as a whole seem juvenile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 NFM, juvenile threads on here, NEVER!!! Surely you jest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 NFM, juvenile threads on here, NEVER!!! Surely you jest! It's not that they don't happen, they most certainly do.....but page upon page of the same juvenile insults are different than when someone posts a thread asking "So what do we think about Bertuzzi?". It's the people inside the thread that derail with personal insults page after the next or put it back on topic. I totally understand people will throw a jab here or there, but seriously rereading this thread is a clusterf*ck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 NFM, I get your point which is why twice I changed my posts, however, my better judgment slipped and I walked right back into the next post I saw, I was just being sarcastic in that last post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 18, 2008 rereading this thread is a clusterf*ck. You'll survive. There's always lockage and banination. I'm fine with either if it's for the...uh, greater good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
